Why I Deleted My Warrior Forum Account

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1. why my warrior forum is banned

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8. I believe so. He continues to rip people off all the time.

9. Wow, that is scary to hear regarding Gabriel Odinaka. I hope he has not stolen more money from people around the internet. Is he Nigerian?

10. Hello
    Warrior Forum support to Affiliate networks and Companies for make more money.
    but Warrior Forum is not support affiliates and internet marketer. cuz Companies use to paid A/c. so Warrior Forum support to some scam Companies. http://prnt.sc/ebzbk3
    so batter to social media platform like fb, twitter and linkedin and more lol

    thanks

11. He has made a living from ripping people off. It was $250 he had taken from me and he refused to refund me. If I recall correctly he said he would give me $100 back and when I attempted to do a PayPal refund he said that he would not give me any refund because of it.

    That is the point where I stopped caring about money and cared more about warning others.

    He continues to scam others.

    This blog has been attacked in the past and I have no doubt he was been behind it.

    Unfortunately, this type of thing is common on WarriorForum and they do nothing about it.

    Kevin

12. The caps lock say how frustrated you are that someone here actually is making people aware that warrior forum is a scam. And using terms like “200 MEASILY DOLLARS YOU RACIST” shows that you are scamming everyone on warrior forum. Every dollar matters, whether it is 1, 10 or 100.

    To all those who see this, remember hard work can only earn you money. There are no shortcuts, no “secret” tricks. Warrior Forum is a scammers sanctuary.

    How often I see WSO’s like “Buy this and you can make 5 figures a month”. Now suppose YOU were the person who knew this so called “secret”, will you sell this for $27 or even $49 ?? If they are making 5 figure income a month, why are they selling their “secret” for such a low cost? Haha.

13. Hi Gabriel.

    Everything I said about you was 100% true. You are a scammer and others need to be warned about you.

    For the record, no, you did not give me a refund, so please do not suggest you did.

    I am not sure why you are suggesting I am a racist, but I do not appreciate threats to me or my blog.

    Please feel free to start legal proceedings.

    Kevin

14. WHY R U LYING TO ALL THESE PEOPLE DO YOU KNOW I HAVE THOUSAND OF DOWNLINES THAT I CAN CHANNEL AND DESTROY THIS BLOG? I REFUNDED U your ENTIRE 200 MEASILY DOLLARS YOU RACIST

    I WILL SUE YOU FOR THIS
    Gabman

15. Yeah I agree warriorforum sucks, they banned me to for no reason at all. Trust me there are better services and forums out there other then warriorforum.

16. I fully confirm that the warrior forum is run by assholes. They set up the sales conditions in such a way that once registered, you cannot get out of it any more. You pay 97$ whether you want to or not !!

    Once you are registered you cannot get out of your registration anymore !!

17. Yes, I agree with you that WSO section is garbage. Lots of people who think that they’re smart trying to teach others on how make money online while they themselves fail to make steady income. That’s why I don’t trust marketers and freelancers at Warrior. However, I do find some SEOers at Warrior are honest, such at guy at Spartan Marketing Academy.

18. Thanks you gave me a lot of reasons to delete my warrior forum account too. As the reasons are valid and are annoying me. I was also thinking about deleting my account recently but due to some reasons I was unable to delete my account because of lack of sufficient excuses but now I am definitely removing myself from that forum. Thanks once again.

19. The biggest danger is the sheer poor advice you’ll get.

    It’s ridiculous.They have signatures that say something like” Learn how I make $10,000 a month easy..” then plead with others to help them out as they are about to be kicked out of their 1 bed apartment.

    OR “I am an SEO black ninja..learn more”

    then ask basic SEO questions.

    It’s got a lot worse over there now. Most posts are really stupid questions:

    “how do i make $1 a day..?”
    “how do i create a web site..?”
    “should i go back to mums house or sell wso’s”
    “shall i set up an SEO biz or a web design biz?”

    “How do I….should I……” Other words “feed me please i am desperate.”

    It really hurts my head thinking about that place.

20. Yes you need to be careful there. There is a large number of people there who seek out beginners and look to take advantage of them.

21. I recently went looking for bulk email creation tools and some link creation tools and literally, within twenty minutes, I was getting swarmed with PMs about items similar to what I was just searching for. So here I am a newbie member looking for some very specific things and BAM I am overwhelmed with the precise topics, etc. I searched for, that completely turned me off an told me the scammers and the website owners are in cahoots. Website owners allowing scammers, or being direct scammers themselves, does not matter to me, I am never going back to warriorforums.

22. There is no such thing as a stupid question. It is much better to ask questions like you did instead of stalling because you do not want to do next.

    Unfortunately, there are some members on there that do not share that opinion. However, I do think there are still a lot of good people that post there that are helpful.

23. I joined Warrior Forum a couple weeks ago. I thought I’d gain some great advice and tips from those more experienced at internet marketing than myself. The first few posts I responded to showed me exactly that. Then this morning I posted a question asking for more info on something I had Googled but did not fully understand. I thought a Warrior or two would be able to help. I got crapped on for asking what a couple of Forum members must have thought was a stupid question. I didn’t expect that. I thought the point of the Forum was to be helpful. Oh, well.

24. It sounds like your registration got caught in the forum’s spam filter. Let me know your username and I will manually approve your account :)

25. There’s a problem with your forum’s mail function. I tried joining and did not get any confirmation emails. I signed up using mmail first, but that didn’t work. Then I registered using a private email, and that didn’t work either. Please check that feature or disable email confirmation. You are probably losing signups.

26. I would agree that most of them are not making money online. Warrior Forum has always been the home of inspiring internet marketers.

    With regards to WSO’s, you can make legitimately good money from these books, but it means that your whole career is based off of selling sub-standard products to beginners.

    It’s a weird enclosed ecosystem there. I have seen books there that would struggle to sell for $0.99 on Amazon and they are selling them at $49. It’s bizarre to say the least.

27. I haven’t visited that forum for about 3 years now, and on my return, I found that it’s still as poor as it was when I left. I get bad vibes just from looking at the site now. I am actually ashamed that I spent over a year toiling away jumping from product to product without getting anywhere.

    It wasn’t until I stepped away from the forum and started looking at what people were actually DOING to make money that I started making an income online. It’s almost a full time income for me now, as I learned all the skills to run successful blogs myself. Looking briefly through the forum posts and going through the responses, they’re still pushing the “position yourself as an expert” crap that just irritated me to the core. I was absolutely disgusted with the way everyone was taking this advice, then actually using it to push more junk.

    99.9% of those “marketers” don’t make a dime online, and when they do it’s because they sell WSO’s.

    Thank you for this article… just wanted to see some other opinions and if others are just as repulsed by the whole community there as I am. An enemy of my enemy is my friend :)

28. Cool. Hope you enjoy it. There are a lot of good members on the forum so I am sure you will learn something. Just be wary of all the offers that are pushed there.

29. Good on you buddy ..its a brave thing to do .. im reading htis while i just paid $99 for 1 year membership ..bugger.. anyway ..see how it goes

30. Unfortunately, many people are willing to sell out if it means making a quick buck.

31. Hi Ken.

    I don’t visit the forum, but a quick check suggests nothing has changed. They still have the Warrior Special Offers room and it wouldn’t surprise me if they still had the same moderator team.

    But as I don’t visit the forum anymore, I can’t say for sure.

    Kevin

32. What’s your opinion now of the forum? as your article is almost 2 years old. Do you think it is better now after “freelancer” had acquired it?

33. Most forums/blogs are like this on the net. The scammers have trashed the net. If they can get away with it they will push it for all they can.

34. Looking forward to seeing you on the forum.

    I appreciate the offer of being co-registration, but I do not want to waste any more of my time with WarriorForum. We have a a great thing going with Rise Forums and I would rather take positive actions online and focus on what is working instead of trying to fight a large company. I do, however, encourage you to take this forward if you have lost a lot of money.

    And I also welcome more blogs that highlight bullshit gurus who will recommend any product for a fast buck.

    Kevin

35. Rupert Montgomery-Burlington who lives among Royalty in London. That means you’re neither broke nor struggling in business. You were doomed from the start with that bio!

    Your helpful advice was so far above their heads, the know-it-alls became haters which spoiled it for those who appreciate concrete advice with solid references to back it up.

    That’s why very few will ever learn anything with real value on that forum. The War Room has some good information but you won’t find it where the bulk of their traffic goes every day.

36. Patrick, If you didn’t already get that high-end course about getting traffic, let me know. There’s a good chance I either have it or can get it for you at no cost. I’ll be on Kevin’s Riser Forum [thriftgirl62] after today so you can reply there if you still want it or another one you’ve seen since then.

    Amazon has a 30-day free trial for downloading unlimited Kindle books and most of their other books free of charge. After that, it’s $9.99 a month and you can add your 3 or 4 family members [including your kids] so everyone has their own library of books to read on the web or on various mobile devices.

37. Kevin, I have had this domain, GuruBullshit dot com registered for awhile now. If all these stories and more going back for the last decade were consolidated on that Blog it would eventually show substantial proof of loss that could be used to pursue a class-action lawsuit against the WF.

    I’m going to join your Riser Forum today so if you’re interested, I can change the Registrant to include your name/forum to make it a class-action blog for everyone’s benefit. I can’t do anything with it by myself anyway.

38. If you don’t know what “Cognitive dissonance” means, that’s a clear indication of who you want in your circles. Always surround yourself with people smarter than you are!

39. Oh my lord. I went into the offline section hoping there would be some real business people in there. Not a chance. They all seem lost in there little world of ripping everyone else off. Any how, riddance to that place.

40. Warrior Forum refused to delete my account. So, I requested to have the name on my account changed. They refused to change the name on my account because I am no longer a paying member. There are many scammers on the site. I kept receiving spam mail and ended up deleting my entire email address just to get rid of all the spam. Save yourself the trouble and don’t sign up for Warrior Forum. The help desks people are jerks.

41. The warrior forum hosts so many scams it is hilarious. What will be interesting will be when the ACCC gets involved because they are now run out of Australia and Australia has some of the toughest consumer laws on the planet.

42. basically 2 types of people there.

    Newbies. Have no clue about anything really.

    Scammers – selling to these newbies.

    Scams and pyramid schemes is all i see there.

43. But the really sad thing is a lot of the people that are having a problem with the software are newbies and dont seem to have a clue about refunds/paypal etc and they’re getting no response from the vendor.

    Its no wonder people give up on the net.

44. They always delete people who warn others because the offers room is their cash cow.

45. At last, somebody who tell it like it is on the Warrior Forum, I found a product, not on the forum, anyway bought it and its complete shite, wont even run, went into the forums and seems the guy selling it is somebody I bought off before, that was shite also, however warned people in the thread not to buy and guess what all my posts were deleted!!

46. Hope you enjoy the forums Tamal. Looking to get to know you better over there :)

47. It still surprises me that people are buying into pyramid schemes such as MOBE. The only way to make money through things like that is to rip money off of someone else. Who then needs to do the same to someone else.

48. Hi Kevin, I just joined Rise Forums, hope to hang out in a better atmosphere. :D

49. what point?

50. the latest craze there seems to be MLM type pyramid schemes. It’s always a craze going on that everyone copies, never ends. Coaching, then list building, now it’s pyramid schemes. Stand back..and laugh or feel sorry for them

51. You know sadly, you are 100% correct here. I stupidly asked about my web page on that place and was told it wasn’t exciting enough, no sizzle, no hook to get me in, etc…

    I am like “W.T.F. is this about?” I put the facts in and that’s it. I detest hype and bending of the truth (WHICH IS ACTUALLY CALLED FRAUD IN THE REAL WORLD BUT ON THE WARRIOR FORUM IT’S NORMAL. They don’t lie or commit fraud, they add a little hype in their eyes)

    The majority are lost in their little world of selling wso’s to desperate newbies. Thinking they are the Donald Trump’s of the online world because they manage to scratch out a living selling shit to gullible, newbies. They won’t be told anything.

    I don’t think any serious, reputable business people hang around there nor want to have their name attached to that place. Any professional would laugh and run away from that place.

    In the off topic forum there are some weird people who clearly sit on the net (warrior forum) all day posting crap. A guy called Seasoned will reply to any post about politics with a full page rant and he has 7,000 posts. Miss Terra K, HeySal, just weird, lonely internet trolls. They must spend about 2 hours a day+ on that forum. But they see nothing wrong with what they do. Even Charles Manson thought he was doing good.

    Rant over…..best to avoid that place and try to never think about it or the sad, lost souls that haunt that place.

52. One of the Warrior Forum’s strengths is the volume of traffic it receives. However, it is also one of its weak points. It does not have the same community spirit as other forums due to its number of active members.

53. There are a lot of good people there too. I am not a fan of the way that the owners of Warrior Forum run the place, as they allow a lot of scumbags to rip off members.

    However, there are a lot of good members who spend time helping others and share their experience whenever they can.

54. If you invest in the Warrior Forum you will waste a lot of time. It is good to know about it though then you learn what not to do.
    Best regards and I wish you all the success.

55. I logged back in a few weeks ago and participated in a few discussions.

    I can tell there are some useful conversations to be had but when I join a forum I see it as an investment. I’m not sure I want to invest in the Warrior Forum.

56. You can see the quality of most people on that forum. Whiney, entitlist, broke, would be business owners that haven’t got a clue. I’d hate to have to deal with them. $9 is like life and death to them.

57. Yeah. Some spam gets through every now and then.

58. Huh?
    SPAM?

59. amen !!!!!!!

60. hahahahahahah could not agree more. love your blog!! keep up the good work. Truth will set you free.

61. The tone of the forum comes from the owner and the staff. By setting up rules and banning trolls, a forum can attract professional people. That’s where Warrior Forum fails.

62. The annoying there is that there is actually a lot of good website owners there too. Knowledgeable people who try and help others. But they are dwarfed by all the vultures there.

63. i also think most forums are full of college kids. The kind that have run some poor quality scam for a few months made a few $$’s and think they are the next Bill Gates. You can tell from there writing. The “bro, dude, crowd” that have no face to face ethical sales experience. There’s no discussion here only a talking down to from their “experience…”

    On a forum i guess they think people actually look up to them. They would have no chance in the real world.

    Lesson is, i don’t think serious business people hang around posting on forums.

64. Yes it was but it’s always been a cesspool.

    It’s not as active as it was 2+ years ago. People are saying traffic is dying off.

    Seems full of newbies/college kids asking “Just want to make $100, $500, $1,000+ per day please tell me what to do…”

    I do still look at the offline section but i think i’ll stop that. The serious business people seem to have jumped ship and the advice in there is disgraceful.

65. It was bought by the company that owns Freelancer.com (who got to where they are by snapping up most of their competition). I am not sure what changes they have made, if any.

66. Just wondering? Wasn’t warrior forum bought out? Ever since then it went to hell.

67. Look, lets be honest here if they have to advertise, cold call, spam, it’s a scam or at the very least hyped up beyond belief .

68. i guess they think of it as marketing 101. Find a hungry crowd…feed them. Screw ethics/morals.

    But it can be really annoying. i tried to warn someone once they were going to be ripped off. Typical make $10,000 a day wso from a previous scammer. The “buyer” attacked me. Saying i was clueless, no idea what i was talking about, trying to steal their dream.”…..Unbelievable.

    4 months later they wrote back saying i was right….

    But like you say, it never ends. “a sucker is born every minute”

69. THERE is very little. 99%+ is pure garbage. The good marketers seem to have left. Wonder why?

70. I am immediately suspicious of sales pages like that. They just pluck numbers out of thin air. This is worth $97. This is worth $197. But we are giving you it all for $42. What they don’t tell you is you can get better information on Amazon for $3!.

71. Thanks Kevin. I’ll do that. Ive wasted so much time on this – finding the wrong freelancers! Going back to the Warrior-type offer – here is a classic http://linkedconnect.co/linkedconnect-basic-special-offer

    How can somebody sign up to that – it gives absolutely no indication of what it does. Again it sells the dream, with a complete absence of content. As Paul suggests, what these things do is take advantage of the desperate and ill-informed, but unfortunately there seem to be millions of them

72. David – Drop by Rise Forums. Brian Jackson works for an SEO company. Rhys did as well. They might not be able to take your job on, but at the very least they will be able to point you in the right direction. :)

73. Paul. You are partly missing the point. It wouldnt just focus on the rubbish on Warrior Forum but also legitimate (and other illegitimate) products and services. Having said that, one of the additional problems I have had is trying to find SEO and social media marketing freelancers who although they have many good reviews on sites like freelancer.com and guru.com are actually incompetent

74. You’re right Paul. Too many people are chasing the dream.

    Hearing that one guy made a crap load of money by doing X, Y or Z, can be inspiring to people who want to take the shortcut to success. The truth is that the majority of people who are making good money on the internet worked their butts off for it. Sure, you need to take risks and take a chance when the opportunity when it presents itself; but you also have to be ready to do the boring stuff as well.

    Most of the advice I give on this blog is not very exciting, and probably not inspirational either. However, I have no doubt that if people followed my advice and applied the hard work ethic I promote, they would start seeing a return.

75. I can understand why you did that Peter. I would have felt the same way as you did.

    Obviously, there is a fine line between getting someone back who ripped you off and wasting your time. You don’t want something like this to take away from working on your own projects.

    That being said, I am always happy to see scam artists such as that get what they deserve :)

76. all that for $27…. See what i mean about being in the Ghetto. Like a drive by shooting in the cyber world over a “wrong look”.

77. on a final note, I think it’s a bit damming of the lower/working class US citizen. I expected a bit more common sense from Western educated country. But they seemed brain washed by B*S* and hype above all else.

    Even watching USA TV and seeing their infomercials, I was laughing and shaking my head at those ad’s. I thought it was more amusing than a sales pitch. Yet, clearly, it works and they sell. if this is what your average Homer in the USA is used to, then it’s no surprise the crap on the Warrior forum sells. Hype trumps facts in the U.S.A.

    Look, i am sure it’s only a % of the population and I guess every western educated country is the same. It’s not a dig just at the U.S.A. But i do find it amusing.

78. The huge problem with even being on the warrior forum is it’s like being down in the ghetto. It’s dominated by the “biz opp. seeker” and the “i am pretending to be a big businessman” crowd. And they are the PITTS to even deal with.

    The work form home, bizz opp seekers aren’t the brightest of the bunch. They jump around chasing the latest “easy, quick money system.” They lack common sense, education and emotional intelligence. basically, that’s why they chase “easy money” instead of trying to build a real business. They expect far too much, far too quickly and be dammed if they will pay more than $50 for it. No, i don’t think it’s right they do get fleeced but they also have to grow up. Never try and sell to this crowd.

    Save your-self from the insanity and avoid like the plague.

79. your problem is all of those reviews (real) will be very poor. People will switch off and not buy. Look at the review section on that forum…99.99% are bad.

80. It is a great idea and it is something I wanted to do as well. The problem is time and money. Sure, you get a money back guarantee but you will have to try all these products to give an honest review. So you need time and then when do you find time to make money to fund this venture.

81. Here’s a story some of you may associate with.
    I purchased a test offer for hompage links to see if they were genuine. It cost about $27 for the package I decided on and it was the least expensive. After waiting several weeks, no links came through so I contacted the provider and requested a refund to which he declined and told me he was working on it which was absolute rubish. I opened a dispute in Paypal which ended up going against me so this bugger got my $27 for nothing.

    Being the type of person I am, I decided to take it into my own hands so I gave the guy an ultimatum of either refund the money or suffer the consequences which he laughed off and told me he was going to negative seo my site and this was proven by the amount of links suddenly pointing to my site so I disavowed them as fast as they were coming in.
    My response to this was that I populated the first page of Google for the domain name with pages describing his service as a scam. In a short space of time I had captured the first 10 results and emailed him to say that if he wanted me to remove the pages, he would have to pay me at least 2-3 times what he owed me.
    He has since deleted his domain which looked like it took some time to set up with affiliated accounts on social media so he got more than what he bargained for.

    Perhaps next time he’ll think on his experience with me before trying to dupe someone else.

    Cheers

82. I think it would be a breath of fresh air.

83. Im thinking of launching an online internet marketing magazine containing, amongst other things, honest reviews of internet marketing products. It’s almost impossible to find genuine reviews – almost everyone is an affiliate of the product they review. What do people think?

84. but there’s no end to the stupidity over there. Every week there is a new batch of idiots waiting to be fleeced. Is that how it works?

85. YEP. That’s true. They actually seem to want to be ripped off. So those scum bags oblige. Win/win on that place.

86. Thanks for the comment Darren.

    The problem certainly stems from the moderators. The way that the moderators administrate a forum influences the atmosphere in a forum.

    Obviously, it is not easy to moderate a forum. It can be a thankless task at times. I have run forums for around 13 years and I know from running internet marketing related forums that they are more prone to spam etc. However, sharing links does not seem to be a problem on Warrior Forum. The big problem seems to be removing posts and threads that complain about people being ripped off. WSO is their cash cow and they clearly don’t want anything to jeopardise that.

    Members should be able to speak their mind (as long as they are not abusive to other members).

87. I have an account on WF but have not been active in about 2 years, I bought a WSO butnit was garbage.

    There are some good members there and the good news is the better contributors stay away from the WSO.

    I’m going to back over there and participate in some of the sub forums, but I’m afraid I will not be able to speak my mind without some c#nt moderator breathing down my neck and banning me.

    If I feel I’m being bullied I’ll stop participating and get the hell out.

    I like the sound of Kevin’s forum and this sounds more like the type of community I’d like to be involved in.

    I’ve always been morally objectionable so it is difficult for me to do business in a way I do not agree with deep down.

    Cognitive dissonance anyone?

88. I contacted them directly and asked them to delete my account.

    Kevin

89. Can you tell me how to delete my Warrior Forum account? I’ve been trying and can’t find the process for it. Thanks.

90. Hi Cay,

    Thanks for commenting.

    $10,000 in 30 days? Let me guess. Did the course show you how to package up a piece of crap product and then sell 34 copies of it at $297? :)

    99% of the people who are making money selling WSO’s make all of their money from selling WSO’s. The ones I have checked out in the past have been poorly written and poorly researched.

    Kevin

91. I joined Warrior Forum less than 24 hours ago.

    It didn’t take me 5 mins to identify the 99% scam – it’s almost disgusting (for lack of a better word to use). I couldn’t agree with you more on the points you raised. Well done for putting the information out there. You have no doubt saved a lot of people from falling into claws of Warrior forum and its associates.

    The very first (and only) comment I posted since joining the site yesterday, was deleted haha:)

    My comment was in response to someone claiming they would make $10,000 in 30 days on the forum. He’s offering a special course that involves a series of webinars exclusively for 30 people at the cost of $297 per person. The selected people (customers) will watch him make the $10,000 live on the forum over a 30 day period.

    My comment was “What would be more interesting is finding out how you make the balance of $1,090.”

92. haha very true. I will try and allow the fantasy to continue in future.

93. No problem Charles. Glad you enjoyed it.

94. The problem is that factual advertising copy is “boring” whereas hype (AKA BS) is eye-catching in attention grabbing.
    And, people want to be misled so that they can entertain their own fantasies.

    You pointing out reality only spoils the fun for them.

95. Hi Kevin,
    Great article!
    As they say it patient to be a man to listen and watch!
    WSO Scam is true… A lot of people just jump in to IM and think they just bank with huge profit quite easy which is not… You have to learn a lot, take action and work hard to archive anything in this life… people have to know that…

    Thank you, Kevin 9ce share!

96. Do ANY of these things work? is it a 100% no?

97. I was also done the same and got same result :) freelancer and their form both are full of fake and stupid peoples they just want to have a great list of users not professionals.

98. Really?

    some wso headlines i just copied now…e to be easy, guaranteed, no effort or time, no education needed (as you are selling to lazy crack heads)

    They always have the push button words “easy, push button, copy and paste, guaranteed. auto pilot, no work, etc…” i.e. sell shit to the useless. I don’t know who’s worse actually. The sellers or the buyers.

    —————————————————————————

    [WEBINAR] easy $10,000 a month No matter what your actual business is???)

    How To Get 1,000s Of Visitors Per Day & Earn At LEAST 10K A Week – Newbie Friendly (again…no mention of that you are actually selling. In the land of the WSO’s that makes no difference)

    Receive $500 Payments Directly Into Your PayPal Account. The Last WSO You’ll Ever Need

    Build Your Own $500 Per Day Business With This EXCLUSIVE Opportunity (Runs 100% On Autopilot!) (

    [WSO Of The YEAR!] From Newbie To Paid Expert In Minutes Without Doing Any Actual Work (Expert…..what a joke!)

    [WSO of the Day] MAKE A PASSIVE 6 FIGURES with UDEMY! Do This Once, Get Paid FOREVER? RAVE REVIEWS!

    [FB Coaching] How to Earn $530+ /Day FAST! [ GUARANTEED RESULTS ] [Rave Reviews]

    That’s enough…that’s half way down the 1st page. Seems like a competition who can write the most hyped up subject line. Looks like they are allowed to write what-ever they wish.

    Joke of a place and the lurkers and posters there are a waste of space.

99. I agree. What a bunch of pretentious garbage pushing douchebags. Warrior forums is for suckers who want to be pitched an endless stream of garbage products.

100. You can contact me through my contact form :)

101. Hi kevin am new send me a reply would like to talk thanks

102. For anyone who hasn’t read it yet, here is the article on Alexa Smith, plus update 2.

     https://web.archive.org/web/20130305002009/http://www.theantiwarrior.com/?p=3781
     https://web.archive.org/web/20130309074108/http://www.theantiwarrior.com/?p=4178

103. I heard he is 56 years old. I wouldn’t say he has no clue about internet marketing. Some of his advice is good.

     No one has been able to explain why some people are having success with article syndication if it is indeed a scam.

     There was a detailed article about Alexa Smith on the site theantiwarrior.com but that site is no longer around. You might still be able to read it in the internet archives though.

104. I operate on the premise that 99% of information products are bullshit and 100% of the information can be found on the internet free elsewhere. The whole point of buying eBooks etc is to reduce the amount of time it takes you to acquire knowledge on a subject, but most of the eBooks I have seen there are poorly written by people who have very little experience (not everyone, but most people).

105. The problem really is who to believe. In other words, who’s offer is honest. The sales pitch of almost all Internet Marketers is more or less the same, ie tacky.

     So now everyone is tainted to a large extent.

106. Thanks Leon. I’m not saying you shouldn’t use Warrior Forum. Just have your wits about you and be think long and hard before buying any products or services on there.

107. Hi Kevin, I only came upon your blog now by Googling something about Warrior Forum.

     What you are telling us is something that has worried me for a long time. I am glad that my instincts have now been validated.

108. With the Warrior Forum now owned by Freelancer for a couple months… It’ll be interesting to see what changes they make as time goes on.

109. When I tried exposing Alexa Smith, I got banned for like 10 days, when I asked the staff moderator Thomas why we ended up having a fairly decent back and forth discussion and he basically admitted Alexa Smith is not who he/she says he/she is but that pen names are cool, they don’t break any rules and as far as WF care Alexa Smith provides great value.

110. ^^ I hear he’s a fat ugly man in his 40’s in Leeds (UK). SOOOO pathetic and scary.

     Like you say, some people on that place must spend 3+ hours a day there. What class of people have the time for that? I am starting to believe 99.99% of people hanging around on forums are sad, lonely people.

111. The biggest con on the WF is the bloke masquerading as the all singing, all star article syndication super star, ALEXA SMITH. He claims to be a 23yr old female Phd student that also happens to be a successful affiliate marketer by way of only writing articles.

     However, whenever someone ask’s about his earnings, what niches he/she is in, the post is immediately deleted or they are banned. This deranged saddo has spent the last 6 years or so posting EVERY SINGLE day without fail, sometimes up to 20 times a day……not short posts, long detailed posts.

     I mean seriously? what successful marketer has all that time to post every day. The sad thing is, alot of people actually believe what he is saying. Someone who has no proof of earnings, refuses to share any stats of his article views (claims people will be able to work out what niche he is in) but yet is lauded as a article marketing GURU on the WF.

     Anyway, for anyone reading, stay away from the WF, most of the real gurus hardly spend their time on that place. It is full of people prying on the noobs. It is the blind leaving the blind!

     Most of all, stay away from that fool of a guy claiming to be a successful marketer ALEXA SMITH….this guy has no clue about internet marketing. And article marketing????LOL……..yeah right

112. Many of the regulars on the WF who are War Room members are saying that one of the reasons why free members have such a stingy PM box space limit of 10 messages is because of the server resources required.

     This assertion seems strange since most other internet forums have no problem giving free members something like a 50 PM box message space or even unlimited space.

     Anyone reading this who has a good knowledge of servers and their limitations, do you think that the 10 PM box limit for free members is reasonable or not?

113. Here is your typical Warrior forum member….unbelievable!

     “How do I create a product I know nothing about?”

     The biggest danger there is the amount of pathetic/wrong advice you will receive from people that have no idea what they are doing!

114. I’ve seen some outlandish pitches on the WSO forum, but none saying “I guarantee you will make $10,000+ per month or double your money back”.

     “If you knew how to make $10,000 per month, would you teach others how to do it?”. If a marketer knows their method cannot become saturated and that their course is likely to sell well then it makes sense to, plus they are also growing their list to build their asset.

115. The question is: If you knew how to make $10,000 per month, would you teach others how to do it?

116. you see all those wso’s on coaching.

     “I guarantee you will make $10,000+ per month or double your money back..”

     OK it’s complete sh** we know this.,

     But i always ask what is it are they exactly preaching? because to take a complete newbie to $10k+ a month so fast they can only do that by selling dreams them-selves?

     So are they all pushing “sell newbies the dream..”?

     It’s gone from bad to worse over there now. And the endless stream of scammers/spammers/newbies never ends.

117. Nice read. In spite of being an online marketer and web-developer I almost got convinced by a WSO last week.

     The best way they make money is by selling the secrets under $50. No blogger or reputable marketer ever told that they do their earning through shortcut. There is no shortcut, that means all these WSO offers are just a lie.

118. There are several people saying that Alexa Smith’s article syndication method which is touted is a scam. If it is a scam then why is there a Warrior in the “Member Contests & Challenges” forum section having success with Clickbank and article syndication?

     Surely people are just frustrated that Alexa Smith is really a 50+ yr old man so they want to believe that he’s lying about the main method he preaches.

119. Another Warrior scammer has been exposed “Guitarizma”.

     http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-special-offers/962315-376-copies-sold-420-per-day-simple-copy-paste-work-only-8-copies-price-hurry-up-3.html

     Look how the same payment proof screenshot is used on the website in Melissahoster’s WF profile dirty-little-secret.biz and Guitarizma’s sales page thread. All with the same wording in the payment from section and greyed out in the same way.

120. My article was written from my own experience, not others. I am sure others have not had threads deleted and I am sure that many people hang out there and have no been approached by private message.

     However, from reading all the comments on this page, it is clear that many other people have had similar experiences to me.

     I think the excuse of deleting all complaints about a product incase genuine people get accused is a poor one. By that rationale, my local police station should stop responding to phone calls because a small percentage of them were fake.

     They charge members for posting advertisements and they charge members for having a premium membership. While they cannot be asked to get involved with disputes between buyers and sellers, they at least need to be proactive and stop known scammers from ripping people off. The fact remains that they did the opposite. They removed the threads that warned others of scammers and then allowed scammers to continue to rip people off.

121. Jan Roos has actually got a good rep. I’ve never heard of him being called a scammer
     before.

     How do you know the reviews about his product are fake?
     Can you elaborate on how his techniques are black hat? Almost any type of link building is considered black hat by Google.

     It seems that you should have done some research before spending $97 on a product. I think The Physical Affiliate was launched in 2011 so it’s obviously outdated now.

122. 1. In your first point, you make a contradiction. Firstly, you say that someone makes a few hundred dollars and creates a product about it then you say the only way people selling products are making money is by selling info products to other about making money.

     I do agree that there are way too many rehashed rubbish products with inflated income claims being sold though. For example, look at the recent WSO called “Blog Broker” which costs $47. So far, only two people in the thread have claimed to make money with it and both these members joined the WF in 2014. That alone could just be a coincidence, but they also both say that they’ve got a 4 figure monthly deal as a “retainer price”.

     You’ll also see that the first member “dgui123451” who replied at post #5 in the thread less than 2 hours after the WSO launched, said in their review they were not going to buy any WSOs again, but so it happens they bought this one for $47 less than a few hours after it was released without even asking any questions about it. Also, the WSO creator replied to his review calling him “Dan” even though he didn’t say his name in this review, so they clearly either know each or he is dgui123451 .

     2. I’ve rarely been PM’d by people with offers and I’ve been a WF member for almost 4 years.

     3. I have seen WF threads which criticise something and they don’t get deleted, usually in the Internet Marketing Reviews section. They’ve explained before why they don’t allow threads with people warning other people about scams. If they did then people could accuse genuine product creators of running a scam just because they didn’t get results with the method/system themselves. It would be like the wild west. Don’t all IM forums have a similar policy like this? At least the white hat forums.

123. Thanks Mike. There are lots of great internet marketers on Warrior Forum. Unfortunately, the actions of the staff affects the whole community and allows spammers to rip people off.

     Be sure to drop by Rise Forums and introduce yourself.

124. Nice article. I aspire to write stuff this good. Jealous of all the comments. I’ve bookmarked you. Will probably join your list and spend some time on the site.

     I can certainly understand your frustration with the Warrior Forum. Although I’ve been aware of it for years and years, even when it was new, I’ve only paid any real attention to it in the past couple of years. I don’t mind checking it out from time to time but I definitely hold onto my wallet. Interesting comment above about inbound marketing contrasted with the copywriting you typically see on WF.

125. i’d say 99% on that place and some spend hours every day…aren’t business people but complete dickheads trying to sell the latest get rich quick scheme.

     Best to avoid that place at all costs.

     You’ll see posts every day/week same old thing

     “complete newbie here..just wan tto make $15,000 per month, no effort, no time ” etc…

     It’s a joke of place.

126. I was considering signing up and even just browsing the forum, but it sounds like it would be more worthwhile to find people who are into marketing and are legit on LinkedIn and just ping them with a few questions about how they did it. Or to form/join a mastermind group that can help you weed out the good stuff from the garbage.

127. Yeah “Alexa Smith” is just a fat lard ass more than likely. I notice that unlike any other normal person who uses their “real” name instead of a pseudonym online there are no other accounts or profiles to be found e.g. twitter, facebook, linkedin etc. Also his fake art website is a load of crap because the art is not for sale and it looks as if its just crap that she/he found online. I got banned for telling people about him. What a deranged loser. Warrior Forum sucks anyway, full of scammers and low lives.

128. Wow Jake, I feel ya.
     Someone told me a long time ago that once people are given the authority to Moderate and own Forums, something happens to them, almost a demonic metamorphosis.
     These experiences seem to have taken it to a whole new level.
     You’re right though, better off without it and I won;t be on there again or ever thinking about buying anything from places like that.

129. My Experience With The Warrior Forum:

     I have been a member since 2010 – and I used it for 5 days. Complete waste of time…

     I helped design a WSO and saw how it did, put together something really valuable, paid the 20 bucks to become a WAR ROOM MEMBER! YES! – and found out the cowboy hat scumbag looking guy (Paul Myers) only likes trucker types.

     I have nothing against truck drivers. I stand in line behind them when I pay for gas from time to time.

     Good information means “this person has wasted more time on the warrior forum” on the warrior forum. If they have more posts and responses than you, they have an entitlement to more “genius.”

     Those social network copywriters are a rare breed. They will defend their illusion of superiority with a vengeance!

     A few people started inquiring about how to sell. A lady used my headline over their “covert copywriting service pitch” replies – she thanked me for it and all hell broke loose.

     Paul Myers was sitting at his computer, eating a TV Dinner…

     All the sudden, he started getting complaints. “a new guy is talking about a college degree and 15 plus years business experience. He’s sharing Dan Kennedy, Gary Halbert, Carlton, Bill Glazer, etc. and all of the books people need Paul! Get’eeem.”

     And ALL of my posts were soon deleted… Nooooooooooooooooo! 25 Posts, Gone. They declined my – JV WANTED – post or the – FREE Templates – War Room post with a real $27 value.

     So much for using the warrior market place, I guess.

     I’m guessing my product would actually work for people.

     I should’ve had a picture of a guy with a goiter sticking out da side hiz head in place of my avatar. PROFILE NAME: EZ Rider Boob Lovin’ I coulda’ hocked a PDF about “how to make 2k a day! – at the all yew can eat buffet, all yew need be yer iPhone.”

     The eBook cover would need to have an orange and brown color scheme…

     If you got kicked off of the warrior forum, it’s probably a good thing.

     You might have a little class or something. You probably intimidated the people who run that scumbag infested waste of time.

130. This Gab guy sounds like a right d**k. Maybe we should call him Gob.:)
     Keep up the good work Kevin, the truth always sets you free.

131. Just been stung by some guy selling a linking service on Warrior Forum.
     No links, no refund and to add insult to injury, he called me an asshole on the thread which was later edited out when I complained about the insult and then I got banned.
     Are the moderators in cahoots with these types of people?

     Such a shame.

132. It’s free to sign up there and free to browse. So I recommend having a look. As I said, despite its problems, there are a lot of good members there. Just be on your guard with people offering you deals etc.

     Though I’d love you to drop by Rise Forums :)

133. And thank you for the recommendation. I was already looking at your forum. I will check the other one too.

     But I am not sure the Warrior forum is worth the time.

134. For me it looks like the forum full of people just trying to get you to opt into their crappy email list.

135. Hi Bobby,

     There are a lot of great members on Warrior Forum. Members who are experienced with working online and members who actively help other members. The big problem is that the owners of Warrior Forum have built a forum in which scammers can sell crappy uninformative eBooks to aspiring internet marketers. People are spending a lot of money learning crappy techniques from people who are only making money by selling crappy eBooks!

     It has the potential to be an amazing forum, but until they start protecting members, it is not somewhere I can recommend. Instead, I would recommend an established forum such as SitePoint or my own discussion forum Rise Forums.

     Kevin

136. I just registered in the Warrior Forum and I was just thinking about joining the Warrior room when I found this article. I know the forum from very long time, but something was holding me back to join in.

     Just before I found your post I was thinking whether it is worth my time, because I don’t see any people I can learn something from (at least from what I see on the free side).

137. When did you purchase the course? And when did you request a refund?

     Could you tell me the month and year please? It’s for my personal research.

138. I can understand the need to delete spam threads, but not legitimate questions from members.

     Member safety is bottom of their priority list. There is no doubt about that.

139. I agree that it can be difficult to get honest reviews. Too many internet marketers lack integrity. They will happily recommend a terrible product if it means that they can get generate a commission.

     You will also see a lot of reviews from people who have never even used the product or service they are reviewing. Which is why they normally revert to marketing text.

     Kevin

140. They have a bad reputation for deleting threads unnecessarily. The fact that they allow spammers to operate on the forum shows that they do not delete threads to protect members.

141. Very interesting! Not sure if this point has been raised before but I think the problem with Warrior Forum is part of a bigger malaise, namely how on earth do you find independent reviews on internet marketing products?

     I’m not a subscriber to Warrior Forum but I still get the same old stuff from other sources which mostly comprise the following:
     – very long marketing text
     – video of some dummy who sounds like Homer Simpson
     – print screens of accounts showing huge sums of money deposited
     – loads of bonus products with a total value of $thousands but from you, we only want $8
     – a “solution” to a sales or marketing problem, typically Facebook (which is often playing with fire) or sales funnels related

     Now I have absolutely no idea if any of these products work or not. My start point is that I really hope it does but assume it doesnt. But how do I find out? If you Google the name of the miracle solution, 99% of the time all you will get is people who are earning affiliate income by promoting it giving an often supposedly unbiased revue.

     Does anyone know where to find truly unbiased reviews?

142. Sorry to hear you get banned. They do seem to go out of their way to protect advertisers; to the point where they ban any member who criticises an advertiser.

     Send me an email if you would like an invitation to Rise Forums. :)

143. Hi Kevin,

     My account on Warrior Forum is blocked just the other day and I have no Idea why. I re-posted the same thread a couple of times and asked the people of the Warrior Forum why they removed my thread.It was about Link Rocket. A plugin I just bought and I wanted to hear from other members (Warriors……) how their experience was with the software. That was it. The thread was removed 3 times and today my account is banned. This is the message:

     “You have been banned for the following reason:
     Read the forum rules!

     Date the ban will be lifted: 06-01-2014, 01:00 PM”

     Looks like it is temporary but this was all they said. Ruder then rude if you ask me.

     I’m a paying WarRoom member and this is what I get.

     I think they are partnering with some of the guys who sell the software and this makes them far from independent.

     The forum is supposed to be a platform for internet marketeers who can learn from each other and can be warned by others experiences or mistakes. I agree that over 90% of the products launched at WF is crap. So the only conclusion for me is that they benefit from scamming people.

     Very disappointing……………

     What is the best alternative for the Warrior Forum in your opinion?

     Thanks!

144. Wow, I just registered on warrior forum last week and having a lot of fun with it, I learnt quite a lot of how to do SEO etc, but I never actually give any attention to their WSO, maybe if I stay away from that section, I could be saved? I can find a lot of people looking for answers there and get pretty good advices. Knowing the place has its dark side really warns me to not consider their WSO offers, as I found most of them really fishy just by reading the description. Call me old school, I never believe I could earn money fast and easy, especially online.

145. They have a bad reputation for deleting threads unnecessarily. The fact that they allow spammers to operate on the forum shows that they do not delete threads to protect members.

     Hopefully Freelancer.com will improve the forum.

146. I totally agree with you. Someone warned me before I signed up with WF but I still did it anyways because I like to find things out for myself (someone also told me they were sexist I’m starting to believe it).

     EVERY SINGLE THREAD that I post on WF gets deleted. I am a independent phone sex operator/cam girl and every time I ask how I can make my business better or ask for advice on where to post ads for phone sex my threads get deleted. I’m not violating any rules I don’t have any affiliate programs in my post but they still get deleted. Even the post that I wrote asking why my threads where being deleted got deleted. My threads don’t even stay up for more than 5 minutes before they are deleted I should have a total of 7-10 threads but my thread count is 0. I just joined this month so I shouldn’t have any problems with anyone. Anyways I submitted a ticket and I told them that I would like a refund for my membership if my threads keep getting deleted for no reason I also asked for an explanation as to why they keep deleting my post. I’ve seen people post about phone sex and adult things all of the time so why are my post being deleted. Maybe I should make my name less girly on there to receive the help that I’m paying for what do you think? lol

147. Appreciate you warning others about this guy.

     I would argue that the very fact that marketers like that are allowed to trade and prosper on Warrior Forum is what makes the forum bad.

148. I just wanted to warn people about Jan Roos “”the physical affiliate” and his physical affiliate program which set me back $97. I paid for his program after seeing all the fake reviews on the Warrior Forum which I thought were real at the time. The few techniques he promotes are “black hat” meaning they are against the google code of conduct which can have your website deleted or penalized easily. Also it’s all outdated and he pays people to give positive reviews and the program he sent me wasn’t even working and he never got back to me, just a piece of shit in my opinion, basically robbed me of my $100. You’ve been warned.

     On the other hand I have bought cheap software that has helped me tremendously, particularly in finding long tail keywords off of google instant search.. It’s called keyword fighter.

     So in retrospect the Warrior Forum is not that bad, yes it has many crooked “marketers” looking to pinch a dollar out of naive consumers and they even collaborate together for a quick dollar but they also have honest people with actually effective software and information.

     Good luck! I hope you do a post about that scumbag Jan Roos, he’s a thief and a liar and deserves to be recognized for it.

149. There are literally thousands of people in the same position as you. I would love it if people became more educated about the problems that are prevalent there; however every day their forum gets busier.

150. Like a lot of people, my experience on Warrior Forum wasn’t all that positive and has left me somewhat bitter and twisted. Not that this article I wrote, which chronicles my experiences on that forum, conveys any bitterness or twistedness.

     http://thecontentbloke.com/banned-warrior-forum/

151. I agree and disagree.
     First of all, yes the people who run the forum are assholes. They are like the famous “Soup Nazi” on Seinfeld! “No soup for you!”
     They have absolute power and we all know that absolute power corrupts absolutely. They also do not try to protect their members except in the most extreme cases of abuse. Mostly they like to protect the vendors who pay to post “special offers” in the WSO forum.

     That said… I do find quite a bit of value in the WSO forum. There are some very good deals on some very good software, informational pdf’s and plug-ins. It’s just that you WILL get burned sometimes with crap and you WILL have to sift through a lot of CRAP to find the truly good stuff.

     I’d say the main thing you want to watch out for are software creators who pay some Indian $200 to copy some software they’ve seen somewhere else, maybe with a change or two, and then they sell it at $20 or whatever but THEY WILL NEVER MAINTAIN IT through the next Wordpress update! That is, even if it works well to begin with.

     All in all I value my membership to the WF and use it all the time to see what the “Warriors” say about a particular offer. I have been warned off of buying numerous products by reading the real reviews there.

     The past 6 months, less of the “regular WSO vendors” are offering their stuff on the WSO forum. Instead they are offering it on their own web pages and only using the “JV partners” (other vendors) to sell it through email lists. In my opinion this is because they are too chicken-sh*t to post their crap on the WSO forum now, because more and more people like me will go on there and point out the flaws in their software and the lies in their ad copy. So now they don’t want anyone asking questions or giving real reviews in their WSO thread, and they just post the positive reviews they got (usually from fellow JV’ers or customers they gave free review copies to) on their own page instead.

     So nowadays I am very skeptical about buying WSO’s. In fact I pretty much refuse to buy any Special Offer unless I look at it very carefully and can buy it on at least a 30 day free trial. Oh yea, that’s the other thing they like to do now:
     They say something like “30 day guarantee ONLY If you bla bla bla” which created a loophole they can use to NOT give you a refund.

     There are still some very good deals there on the WF WSO forum but I’d say the good ones are about 1 in 50. So BE SKEPTICAL! BE VERY SKEPTICAL!

152. Here I share your page. and You are hundred percent right Sir.

153. My intention was never to make money with this post. It was a rant that was born out of frustration.

     When I published the article, I do not believe I even had any advertisements on this blog. I think I just promoted my books from Amazon. At the moment, the only banner here is an advertisement for my private forum Rise Forums. That forum was not launched until around ten months after I published this post, therefore the notion that I published this post to earn money is ludicrous.

     If I wanted to make money, believe me, I would not be criticising Warrior Forum. I would be referring affiliate products and telling people to purchase services through me.

154. Sorry to hear that Saffar. Most of the sellers are using very underhanded tactics to sell their crap products. It’s a shame it keeps happening every day.

155. Sorry to hear that. The wheel keeps on turning at Warrior Forum, with more and more people being scammed every day.

156. We dont care why kevin post this article, even for earning money. but mr daniel truth is truth.

157. Sorry for bad english

158. You are right Kevin, And You really tell truth in your article. I also want to share my little expiereience about bastard warrioforum.
     I replied of one post, that your price is too high, there is one website that offer same service in little cost. then he said that i wan to know strategy of that. after i write all strategy of that one. after some hours he delete my all message. again I reply that why you delete my message, but after some seconds bastard warriorforum ban on my account. warriorforum need money from these bastard seller, therefore they protect them.(I have a screen shot of my last message)

159. Thanks for this post, Kevin! I totally agree with you on your statement here: “Not only do the owners of Warrior Forum not protect their members, they seem to go to great lengths in order to allow scammers to operate there.” because I just encountered it personally.

     I have written about my encounter here: http://myinternetmagic.blogspot.com/

160. Thanks for posting that link.

     That pretty much outlines how these people are making money. I am not surprised that so many of them are selling under different names. That makes it easier to sell add fake testimonials as well.

161. Kevin, not sure if you’ve seen this. Many of the WSO’s are indeed staged as explained here:
     http://www.blackhatteam.com/f180/get-2-million-in-4-years-how-i-did-it-direct-80293.html

162. Wow there are a lot of comments on this.

     Just chiming in to say a similar thing happened to me on a WSO. I don’t buy them ever, but I did this one, and it was a piece of software that never worked and they never answered their support tickets. But what really upset me was that they refused to honor their refund policy.

     I had to fight them through paypal and I did finally get it credited back. When I posted about my experience it was deleted.

     A forum not allowing honest feedback and discussion about products being sold through it is wrong and super sketch.

163. Mr. Bull-shit is still offering a $5K money back guarantee on his latest forey on WF? How does he get away with this? And he is not the only one making outrageous income claims on the WF or the entire Internet for that matter.

164. If any of you would like to share your complete story with my readership, please get in touch. I’d love to do a follow up post in which five former Warrior Forum members shared their stories on why they left the forum. Obviously, a link to the member’s website will be included :)

165. I agree with you Kevin. Warrior forum are run by big time assholes.
     I was “permanently” banned because I post some evidence about Aweber inflating artificially my email list. First I was demanded an apology and then I was banned. haha jerks!
     Is clear to me that warrior forum operates with low values full of interests of dirty kind.
     My recommendation, stay away from there. Many other good options available.

166. Explain.

167. You could always try somewhere like SitePoint. I now have a forum too called Rise Forums (paid).

168. Yes, Admin and Moderators are assholes.

     I registered on warrior forum and this is thread which I created http://www.warriorforum.com/main-internet-marketing-discussion-forum/902166-how-get-featured-media-sites-blogs-relevant-your-website-industry.html which got deleted in few hours and question which I asked was 100% relevant to Internet marketing discussion, I dont know why they did that but its not a good thing to do.

     can you suggest any alternative, where forum members are actually helpful and do not promote them or their product?

169. Great job earning money by warning others :D

170. PayPal actually give very little support to purchases of digital products. I can understand why as it is a difficult thing for them to police. It’s not like physical goods which can be proven through postage etc.

171. Did you try and file a complaint with PayPal? They often favor the buyer, especially in cases where a physical product was not exchanged. At the very least a chargeback was in order. Paypal’s customer service was crap a few years ago, but even then they favored buyers. And their customer service has come a long way since. And, as someone else mentioned in these comments, they are especially sympathetic to those who get ripped off re: online marketing and info products.

172. You really get what you pay for. If you really had 1 hot new trick that was not being used by everyone for the last 6-12 months would you be selling it for 9.99$? Most of these people just want to get you sold on something cheap that they spent 20-30 minutes putting together so they can get you on an email list of people who buy crap and flood your email with affiliate offers.

173. Surprised it’s the first thread you have had deleted.

174. I think the big problem is that it is difficult to sell products or services there. I imagine a good product would sell well there. The problem is that the people who run Warrior Forum do not protect their users.

175. My thread just got deleted from Warrior Forum the other day because I said that there are a lot of “junk” in there. Lol. Now I know why.

176. I agree, too many are seller than buyer in the WF so to be difficult to sell a product or services.

177. Good to have you over there. Looking forward to getting to know you better in the forum :):)

     Kevin

178. So many people are leaving warrior forum. Moderators and admins has no respect for warrior forum users. I also don’t have an account on WF.

     I have won Rise Forums account in giveaway.

     Thanks
     Gagan Masoun

179. The marketers there will proudly highlight the positive reviews they receive from friends and business partners, yet they are quick to put down the vast number of bad reviews. The whole forum has started to believe into the hype that a ten page ebook written by someone with no experience is worth $30. And there is a stigma about people getting a refund – even when the product sucked balls (to put it nicely!).

180. I’ve bought a couple of crappy products from Warrior Forum because I trusted and respected the marketers who were promoting them. I’ve only recently learned that they agree to give positive testimonials in exchange for a free copy of the product. That’s when I discovered that this place was questionable at best, but I had no idea how slimy they really were until reading this article.

181. That’s great man. I was looking at releasing a GSA tutorial on WF, but I decided I would go and put my videos up on YouTube, Its made me a lot less money, but I’m also not feeding into a system that promotes trash.

182. I’m selling high quality social media automation software online and I’m refusing to pay Warriorforums to spread it. In fact, I’m spreading my software on social media using my software.. How great is that?

183. I’m glad you didn’t get scammed by him.

     It really is amazing that Warrior Forum continue to allow him to do business there. This article was published a year ago and he continues to send people private messages and scam them out of money. Unbelievable.

     Kevin

184. I got a PM today on the warrior forum from this email address: [email protected]

     He mentioned selling me a 1000 click solo.

     I have only posted on the forum a few times. Seeing that I had no idea who this was I Googled “barry jenkin solo ad”. Your blog post showed up. I am so glad that you posted this. Thank You!

     It’s a shame that they are still letting this crook do this scam and from the same account non the less.

185. This is no surprise because too many of the “Millionaire” gurus use some of the most deceptive techniques to bilk unsuspecting customers of their hard earned cash.

     The most important words of wisdom anyone could give a customer: “If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.” Here’s the whole point. Deception is the way of the crooked who prey on the more gullible. Most reading this have to know of the well known “Maddoff” Case and other huge “Ponzi” Schemes.

     When so called FRIENDS of a high profile STOCK Market lead lost the world was stunned. They were shocked because somebody so well respected turned out to be the biggest crook of all but you know what, they all trusted this man.

     Now my message to everyone is, how on this planet do you come to trust some of these people (Like T. Bull) when you probably never met them and if you did, how well did you know them?

     Here’s a little tip that has helped me learn from my mistakes… When I see something, a company, an opportunity or a person, I will do research on them. Example: Type their business or name into a search for “Feedback” or “Complaints” The odds are if they are doing business, there will be some sort of feedback but I do not simply go by the feedback, I read between the lines and proceed very slowly to uncover what is the truth about this company or person.

     Sure, you may be guessing but I will be better prepared with my research than just relying on their words.

     One thing you need to be aware of are the underhanded tricks used to deceive the customer and you could write a book on their methods. “Fancy car” “Big Home” “Huge Income.” “Exotic Vacations” These are just the icing on their proverbial cake which paints the picture they want you to believe.

     How difficult is it to use Photoshop or any of the many softwares to create illusions? Heck you can make it look like you are shaking hands with a celebrity if you choose.

     It really gags me when I see some of these “Get Rich Quick” ads that I fell for myself!

     For you Mr or Mrs Brown, I would contact all the Internet Law groups and file a report on the person. It may not get you all your money back but perhaps help you stand up and get noticed that you were wronged. Wishing you success..

186. Best of luck. We need more people online warning others of scams.

187. After I took down the content in my website, tristanbull.org, I changed its content to a review site for Bring the Fresh where I am a FullDisclosure member and affiliate. My tristan bull website now comes up on page one along with tristan bull’s posts. I also filed a ripoff report which also appears on the first page of G under my tristan bull website. My next step is to file a small claims action in local court for $5000 for breach of contract in not giving me a refund as he guarenteed in his initial offer. I will probably never collect, but it’s just another nail in the coffin for Mr. Bull.

188. Sounds like you are doing a lot of good online. Keep up the good work.

     I agree that too many people put money at the top of their priorities. I only need enough money to pay my bills and travel. Anything above that is all good, though I would rather enjoy my life than spend it tied to a computer.

     I’ll continue to say things as I see them, though I am not sure I want to spend more time warning others about Warrior Forum. I certainly do not want it to be the focus of all my attention :)

189. Hi Kevin,

     You may have uncovered the best niche of all time!
     Showing people how NOT to get scammed may be something that is needed at least as much as “how to make money”

     Sort of a title… “The Scam Code Book, Do Not.Buy” Lol.
     Anyway, you are doing a very good thing alerting people not to throw their money away.

     As for myself, I do have a couple websites.
     Buddythetalkingcat.com & Bullyingisdeadwrong.com

     I work in conjunction with a non profit group. I produced several digital download that we market as well as a couple DVD’S which help educating children and parents on Anti-Bullying.

     Kevin, I remember reading from the well respected copy writer Gary Bencivenga. Gary said in one of his “Bullets.” “Stand for something and you’ll never stand alone.”

     That was a catalyst to go on and make a stand for something I truly believe in. Helping children who are bullied. I was fortunate to escape school with a minimum of being picked on but did I see some bad people hurt other kids?

     I agree to being guilty of struggling with how to make incomes by replicating my efforts according to many of the writers selling their wares but the truth to me is. What is the point doing something that you truly don’t believe in. I have to look at myself in the mirror and I am the only one who has to like what they see.

     Ripping off people is not my style. Those who think they are getting rich on hurting others by taking the customers hard earned cash and having them (the customer) not sending bad thoughts their way, are sadly mistaken. “Karma” does come back on the ones who rip off or hurt others! I have seen it first hand and it’s not pretty when it does.

     Too many put MONEY as the almighty and never realize that it’s not what life is all about. I know that you need it to survive, etc but you don’t want money to rule you and so many are in that group.

     Anyway, I believe you telling about your experiences with the WF will definitely help others find their way and Kevin, that is the true meaning of wealth… Helping others!

     David

190. Thanks David.

     Yeah all the top guys promote each other’s products. It is how they make the crazy money.

     Some of these guys are great at selling…but they only seem to be great at selling guides that tell you how to make money….selling guides. It’s a complex pyramid scheme that everyone has bought into.

     Do you run some websites yourself?

     Kevin

191. Hi Kevin,

     I don’t believe in being a name dropper but suffice to say, I knew many of the so called “Gurus” before they became “Rich and Famous.”

     The one fact that sickens me is that some (Not all) of these ‘marketers’ made their big money by congregating together and ‘pooling’ their lists. There is a saying that Viet Nam Veterans used to have.
     “They eat from the same rice bowl.”

     By teaming together when they have another “Incredible Offer” it is much easier to give a percentage of the profits to the ones who built their “lists.”

     Look, this is nothing really new because the ‘Power in numbers.’
     Unfortunately too many ‘victims’ get sucked in on false promises and never see the value in what they are learning.

     The big lesson should be that you need to have something to have control over that you own in order to really be successful in Internet Marketing or anything else for that matter.

     Because we live in a free enterprise society it is OK according to the law to market content that is already available from many other sources. The “Key” to selling much of this is not the information but the MARKETING & Fancy images that disguise the junk in a majority of these so called info products.

     Let’s be honest, are used car dealers much different. Don’t they cover up the flaws and outward looks of their cars and wait till someone is romanced by the dealer?

     Kevin, I applaud you coming to terms and deciding to let it out about the WF. It all comes down to the “American Dream” that so many have used as their main focus along their paths to who knows where.

     As I previously said, I have been one of the ones putting out lots of cash on useless material and one other thing that I have been guilty of, when I got it and read a little bit about the individual product, I usually said what’s the point of this and was on to my next failed venture.

     I guess you need to be ‘hit over the head’ for sometime before you really see the truth and then you say to yourself, there must be a better way.

     Keep up your good intentions and writing, Kevin… It is more than worth reading…

     D

192. Thanks for the comment David.

     I was quite late to Warrior Forum. I initially hung out at SitePoint when I first started out in 2000. Though it doesn’t surprise me that the wild west nature the forum has started early.

     The problem is that those who are learning cannot distinguish the good from the bad. Some of the worst products on their have testimonials from high posting members as they have been released by “friends”.

193. Hi Kevin,

     I read your article but sorry to say, you are a good 12 or so years too late!

     I remember when this Warrior Forum began with Allan (You know who). A short time after the groundwork
     was placed and it was really no different than the many ripoffs from a fair number of it’s predecessors.

     Remember publications that advertised those little 3 or 4 line messages how you can get rich by sending them a few bucks for their “magic” system?

     How about all those “Chain Letters.” It went on and on. Can’t leave out “Stuffing Envelopes.” So many of these scams have been around way before the Internet began.

     I remember telling those who would listen… It’s all about getting someone gullible enough to be able to find another to replicate what they do. A real mess to be sure.

     In todays fast paced world, everybody wants instant and too few really want to work!

     In one sense, there are some really decent people on the forum and while I agree the majority of offers teaching you how to make money are a bunch of you know what, there are some good softwares available.

     Now, what you decide to do with the “Good” information is entirely up to that person who buys it and can learn from it.

     In honesty, I have purchased more than my fair share of garbage along with some nice products but overall you hit the proverbial nail on the head.

     Thanks for a much needed “Tell the truth” article.

     Another Warrior seriously watching their money…

194. No problem Mark. Best of luck :)

195. Interesting post Kevin. I was considering Warrior Forum for marketing of my writing, and had an old account. I have thought they may have been assholes. I have not used it much because it seems like a big scam and rip-off. I think I will check out Rise Forums. Thanks for the honest advice and opinions.

196. No problem Caleb. No need to apologise :)

     I realise that some people have found good advise in WSO’s. Personally, I’d buy books from Amazon before I looked on Warrior Forum.

197. IDK?! But the mssg said the ban would be lifted on the 22nd.

     I wanted to mention something about wso’s.. I have bought some awesome useful stuff there which sold later for like a100 percent markup!

     So wso’s are like good testing ground. But of course the good stuff is mixed in. with a bunch of garbage.

     Btw, my apologies for the broken text on my last comment as I’ve been using my android lately for handling things online.

198. They did that to me as well. Someone once had a problem related to WordPress. So I explained them how to resolve it and then mentioned my article and said that the article delved into the issue further. The post was deleted and I was given a warning. I couldn’t believe it. Do they really think I would spend all my day trying to promote posts in this way?

     A two day banning seems a bit pointless. What did it achieve?

199. I just got banned from there for helping people which I thought was the while point! They day it was because I linked out to my site from within a post and is need to just let my signature do it’s job.

     But of the link really did give further detailed assistance fire free then I don’t see the problem?! Not to mention I’ve come across many who routinely link out from posts

     Nevertheless they banned me for a while 2 days lol!

200. Hi Sherry,

     I offer consultation for $50 per hour, however the best value for money is a membership at Rise Forums. It retails at $97 per year. I offer help directly on the forums. There are many other great bloggers and affiliate marketers on there too.

     How soon will you see results? That depends on how much work you are willing to put in. It is possible to build a profitable website in a few months if you work hard at it. It won’t happen overnight and it won’t happen if you do not spend a lot of time developing it.

     Kevin

201. Hi Kevin
     A newbie who does understand that there are no shortcuts and is willing to work hard. However I’m not willing to waste my time & energy buying worthless WSO’s and then quit is altogether. So with all honesty can you please let me know if you can coach me? and if yes how much will you charge me and how soon will I see some results?

202. Hi Canton,

     Unfortunately, the amount of crap info products has went through the roof over the last few years. The problem is that too many people are looking for shortcuts to success. There isn’t any. You need to work hard to make money online. If something was easy, we’d all be doing it.

     Feel free to email me if you have any questions regarding Rise Forums :)

     Kevin

203. Hi Kevin
     I had used warrior forum a few years ago and had forgotten all about it. I have recently started my quest to make a legitimate income online again and while trawling through all the crap online trying to find at least ONE genuine offer i have landed there again once or twice. Tonight was no exception and i decided to sign in and have a look around – OMG! I couldn’t believe that people who are part of a group, united in a common cause could try and pass so much shit on to each other. I didn’t come across a single thing that was worth getting involved in.
     I noticed that you say you have started your own group Rise Forums, so i thought i would pop in and see
     what it’s like. I am SO keen to find a way to generate an income online.
     I look forward to seeing you there :)

204. My friend Rhys Wynne works for a company that handles SEO. I encourage you to contact him :)

     Kevin

205. Hi Kevin,

     Stumbled on your site by accident. What a refreshing article, I always had by doubts about warrior forum. Looks rather dodgy to me especially when they are flogging their services at crazy prices.

     I wonder if you could help me, I need a good reliable person to analyse my website as I think my rankings is suffering as a result of the pages i may have added. I also appointed a guy that I found on warrior forum to carry out my SEO but not that impressed. Do you know of a good reliable honest SEO guy that can help me

206. Do not waste your with $3 articles. You would make more money picking up litter in the street.

     I would recommend focusing on long high-quality articles. You will be able to charge more by doing this.

207. It’s the catch-22 situation that many jobseekers find themselves in. You cannot get experience without having a job and you cannot get a job without experience.

     As a graphic designer, your work should show the world what you can do. Start showcasing examples of what you can do through your portfolio website. This will help you pick up a few clients yourself. Over time, you will be able to gain more experience with working with companies. This should go a long way in helping you find work.

208. Like all the rest – WF, DP Forum, V7N – junk product and super low quality services. Just reading few blog posts, can give you a terrible headache.

209. I have never personally made anything writing articles as I’ve done it myself for free. I did see from time to time on warrior forum (I know their evil, but you can use them to work for you) or other IM sites and advertise your work. I’m not saying it will be easy to find people to pay this much at first, and it will take a little bit of hussle on your part to make it happen, but once word gets out you should be able to get a few hours a week worth of work.

210. I already have my own website. I am a graphic designer but the problem is I live in a small town out here in the middle of nowhere land and I still have 2 more years of college to go through which means my situation will not be getting better anytime soon. I offer the few businesses we have my services but because I am just a college student and do not have enough material and work experience to present them with a portfolio of my works they reject me and thus I end up with a website that makes no clients.

     But I am working on changing that so I might just have to buy a new domain and offer a completely different service that no one would bother asking for a portfolio or something about. Companies around here are saying if I want them give me the job as a graphic designer I need to have 3 years of graphic design experience with a degree in the field but I am not there yet since I am still in school. But I appreciate you reaching out to me and I will see what I can do to scrape some extra money on the side if I can do anything.

211. Bill thank you for taking the time to respond to me I appreciate the help. I do want to ask a question though. What website exactly are you referring to that pays that much money per article? I’m sorry I have been article writing forever and my English writing skills are the worst in the world and yet the most I have been able to make an article is about $2 an article with me being able to write 2 articles an hour.

     I was using iWriter for a while but the pay was so little I was wasting more energy and time writing articles then I was getting paid for. iWriter has the ability to let you make up to $15 an article but the requirements are outrageous and only a small few selected will be allowed to write these articles and most of them are on topics I have no knowledge about. Yes research is not a problem but even in then they still said I never qualified for the high paying articles so I got stuck with my small $2 an article commission (some articles as low as $1 only).

     If you could please tell me what website it is that you used that paid you $20 starting when you started to write articles that would be great because I had been researching for such a long time and stopped writing articles altogether because none of the websites I even found paid anything more then about $3 an article.

212. Kevin, I agree with you that they were 100% wrong to delete your thread. So you know where their obligation is to, to protecting their bottom line. If they minimize the amount of posts like yours, they can keep the scamers selling more stuff, and while not all things they are selling will result in money for the site, I’m sure some will.

     @John, your situation sucks man and most of us have been there. I’m not telling you what to do, but one possible option would be to sell your time as an article writer/spinner. Unfortunately I cannot find the article I read on it 6-8 months ago, but it talked about finding articles on the subject someone wanted you to write about, and using a spinner, spin the article so that it did not look like crap. You should be able to churn out a 500-750 word article in 15-20 minutes this way.

     You could also write the articles yourself and let them worry about spinning. You are still looking at 20-25 minutes to write 500 words and you know this will be unique. Because you are doing these yourself, as a native English speaker you should be able to get 10$ per article, and because you can do 2 in an hour, you are making 20$ an hour.

     Is it the best work? No. Is it the kind of money you expect from internet marketing? No. But it sure beats whatever the jobs around your school will be willing to offer you, and likely for far less effort.

     I hope something works out for you soon John.

213. I think they were 100% wrong to delete my thread. The guy had already been banned on a few occasions from scamming and stealing money. Why did they not thank me for bringing the issue up and ban him again. Instead, they allowed him to continue to do what he was doing. Even months later, I was getting emails from people saying that he had stole their money afterwards too.

     I’m sorry about your situation. I have been in debt before too and it is not good. My own advice to you would be to not pay any money for any products or services until your situation is better.

     Get a job, reduce your expenses and stay away from any “money making system”. No such thing exists. There are no shortcuts. You need to work hard to make money online.

     If you have a few hours spare at night, I recommend working on a website at that time. All it costs you is $10 a year for a domain and about $5 a month for hosting. You can then build up your website in your own time. It takes time but if you work hard, you will get there.

     Kevin

214. I do not have money to pay for money making systems. Each and every money making system that I got on the warrior forum came with a 30 day money back guarantee and even in then I still made no money. I have so much debts and bills that are overdue for me as a college student that I am struggling to make ends meet and there are simply not enough hours in the day between my already full time job and my full time school. I need to make money so I can get myself back on track but have no clue where to begin.

     What I will say about the warrior forum is this- You technically did target a user and I’m pretty sure that any website on the web these days will delete your post if not suspend your account just for mentioning something negative about a person because that has happened to me on many other websites for calling out scammers. So while I think it’s great that you called the guy out I can’t says the warrior forum was wrong to delete your post considering all websites I have used would have done the same thing.

     But as for money I am broke getting ready to breakdown and literally cry if I can’t find a way to make some sort of extra income. I am looking at getting a 2nd job but even in then the hours of the day are short. Online seems easier in the sense that you can make your own hours and it works better that way but I have not found any money making systems that work. What can you suggest?

215. Maybe He is Barry Jenkins too….

216. In an ideal world, Warrior Forum would review each WSO that was posted to improve quality. The fact that someone can sell an advertisement in the first place shows why there is a need for quality control. Glad you got a refund :)

217. Hi Kevin, I must say that I think anyone that spends any amount of time on the warrior forum will see that it is garbage. Early on when I was very very new to SEO I found myself excited by the WSO email I would get and spent far too much money on garbage. Some of what I bought was great, but I’d say that 90% of stuff I should have never bought and sadly, I never requested a refund on the majority.

     In your screenshot from a while back with the WF mod Paul in it, I must say he was helpful with me when I had a problem with a guy that sold a PDF that was nothing more than an advertisement for a $60 a month link building service he provided. There were 2-3 calls to action per page of the PDF for the upsell, with no content on doing what it was advertised to do.

     I cannot say what he did is the norm as it only happened once, and I have not bought anything in the last 10 months from there, but I’m glad he was able to contact the seller for me and even temp ban the guys account until he issued me the refund.

218. Happy new year Alex. Yeah I am a big fan of Genesis. Their designs are great…though I do sometimes how easy it is to modify non-framework themes.

     In my situation, Warrior Forum continued to allow the person to con others. He had already been banned on a few occasions. When I pointed out the fact he was back and using a different username, they deleted my thread rather than banning him. He then went on to con money from a lot of other people. That is a big problem.

     I do agree there are many good members there. Unfortunately, the actions of the staff make it a safe place to do business.

     Kevin

219. I haven’t taken any steps back Kevin, I still think WF is a great place for Newbies. They don’t have to buy anything from the WSO section to learn. Newbies can simply ask questions, and there are many helpful Warriors more than willing to help them. The search function does wonders also. The WSO section can and will send them down the wrong path, but people really do have to use due diligence.

     I never said they don’t protect their advertisers, I just said I wouldn’t be surprised if they did. As far as newbies are concerned, it is a place to learn about I.M, but when it comes to the WF itself, it is in the business to make money.

     I agree, I would be upset if someone stole $500 from me, and the WF allowed them to continue to operate there, but I’m not so sure they would allow it. Allowing your members to get scammed like that, for a $40 fee is not a smart business move. Like I said before, I’ve seen them ban people who were proven to be scammers. I would love for people to be allowed to address these scammers on the thread, which they are allowed, but it gets drowned out by all the ass kissing, and some get banned for the reasons you mentioned.

     I used to get upset before, just like you are, but I learned you can’t spend to much time trying to expose every scam, people are going to buy regardless. When someone gets called out on the WF, the sellers tend to ignore them, and buyers keep flooding the threads.

     One thing we can agree on, is the Genesis framework rocks :D

     Anyways, happy new years Kevin, hope 2014 brings you alot more success.

220. You seem to have changed your tone about Warrior Forum a little. Previously you noted that Warrior Forum is a great place for newbies to learn. Due to the amount of poor products being marketed and bad advice being shared, I would argue that it is a terrible place for people to learn. Not least because of the bad habits they can pick up there.

     It feels like you are kind of arguing my original point now. Warrior Forum’s main source of revenue is banner advertising and WSO’s. Therefore, it is in their interests to protect the advertisers who provide their income, whatever the cost.

     I do not believe others believe that Warrior Forum is just a business. Would you still feel that way if a service you paid $500 through Warrior Forum stole your money; yet Warrior Forum protected them and allowed them to steal money from other members?

     I would have more respect for the owners of Warrior Forum if they simply took a step back and let everyone handle things themselves. Instead, they have picked sides and have made a conscious effort to protect scammers as it fills their pockets.

221. I understand where you are coming from, but it is a business. I’ve seen them ban scammers before, and have seen those flaming threads deleted also. They are making money hand over fist from these “advertisers” so I wouldn’t be surprised if they were protecting these people.

     I’ve called out some of these scammers on their own threads, but I take the WF for what it is, a business. I used to get upset when they would delete threads calling out some of these scammers, but fast realized that they are there to make money, not be the ethical police.

     I personally stay away from the WSO section, but I do buy services like graphics or content writing from time to time. I’ve found alot of talented writers and graphic designers on the WF, and met alot of very honest people, but you have to sift through all the garbage that is on there.

     I understand everyone’s frustration with the Admins, but it’s not worth losing any sleep over it. I get more upset at emails from 3rd party payment processing sites, that send me emails trying to pre-con me into buying a B.S product from another con :p

222. It does not sound like you actually read my post in full as I explained why admins are responsible.

     I disagree with what you said. They are not only selling ad space. They actively delete threads that criticise members who are conning and stealing money from others. That is not an act of being complacent about supporting forum members. That is an act of ensuring advertisers keep selling products through Warrior Forum at whatever cost.

     The fact that so many people have replied to this post and commented on situations where the staff have not helped them is testament to the fact that the admin should take responsibility.

     Glad you like the theme. It’s a Genesis framework design. :)

223. I agree there is alot of garbage being sold on the warrior Forum, but garbage is being sold all over the internet, all one needs to do is look in their inbox.

     The WF is still a great place for newbs to learn about I.M, and you can’t blame Admins for what’s being sold there, they are only selling ad space. If the Admins started to go through the products being sold to determine what is good or bad, there would only be a few products in the WSO section :D

     Not sure what Admins did to piss you off, but that is non of my business. I agree there is a ton of crap on the warrior Forum, but that stuff is all over the internet, people just need to use due diligence. The WF has alot of good and bad that comes with it, but at the end of the day, it’s a business. If they filtered the products being sold there, they wouldn’t be very profitable :D

     By the way, love the nice theme clean theme :)

224. One recently guaranteed $5k a month profits… F.T.C. make illegal to guarantee any earnings/ In real business there are no guarantees. Yet on the good old warrior forum , anything is allowed.

225. Kev, i meant the buyers. So naive, gullible and frankly a bit silly. But i do feel sorry or them. many are desperate to make some money and fall for the crap every time.

     ——————————————————————————————————-
     I agree that most of the con men hanging around Warrior Forum are not educated, though that does not make them any less dangerous. The problem is that Warrior Forum allows con men to market themselves as legitimate business men and stops anyone from publishing the truth (i.e. bans anyone who posts criticism).

226. walt, you should focus on Tristan Bullshit.

     the word “see” was missing for some reason….but you worked that out..right

227. I imagine many are using templates to build the sales thread for their WSO.

     I agree – it’s always funny reading advice from people with terrible English. Listening to them explain how they are professional bloggers yet their posts are near impossible to read.

228. There really does seem to be a lot of good information there, it’s just too much effort to constantly be worrying about them trying to sell WSOs and sift through all the false millionaire claims. Also there are way too many posters using horribly broken english trying to preach about stuff like having good copy to drive your sales, haha.

     I’m convinced several of the members are the same person. Like, more than a handful, maybe more than two. If you read carefully, they all post in the EXACT same format. Bold text here, italics there, several sentences ending in “….” They can’t all just be mimicking each other.

     I’d just avoid it in general. I learned some interesting marketing techniques but I probably could have found them somewhere else.

229. Headline will read “Man dies from working 20 hour days for a full year!”.

     The problem is that people who are looking for shortcuts to make money online will eat this kind of crap up.

230. There are good members there too, though it is the scam artists that seem to be in favour with management. Not to mention the staff are all tools who ban anyone who warns others about scams etc.

231. There was a mistake in the last sentence, WSO instead of SEO lol

232. Same here, so I thought of visiting the forum today just to get a little bit of laughing material and this is the first WSO I saw there

     “Fiverr Killer – $35,000 Generated With 1 Fiverr Gig…? (Screenshot Inside)”

     Now a fiverr gig is for $5, so he must have done around 7000 gigs to make it !!!?!?!??!?!

     It’s getting funnier and funnier as days are passing, soon there will be an SEO, you buy my WSO for $5, I will send $500 in your paypal.

233. This post was spot on. I’ve been a member on warriorforum for about 2 years. And I quickly realised that this site is populated with scams and bullshitters. I haven’t visited the site for some time. Maybe I’ll check it out just for kicks. haha

234. I agree that most of the con men hanging around Warrior Forum are not educated, though that does not make them any less dangerous. The problem is that Warrior Forum allows con men to market themselves as legitimate business men and stops anyone from publishing the truth (i.e. bans anyone who posts criticism).

235. You first!

236. Walt……say that again, in English this time
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     HEY Jim,
     How do you “can a lot of minimum wage”?

237. HEY Jim,
     How do you “can a lot of minimum wage”?

238. Kev you say a lot of “con men” hang around on the forum, I agree, but i think most are really dumb. Under-educated, low I.Q., no previous business experience spend all day on the net at home. I am not being disrespectful, but I can a lot of minimum wage, drop outs hanging around their thinking they are running a real business. Selling re-hashed, get rich quick e-books for $15.

239. Alexa, I believe, is not feeling well at the time. Hoping she checks in pretty soon myself. I worry about her.
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     This is so whacked! They all know Alexa Smith is really a fat man in the UK, yet they indulge his fantasy, addressing him as “her.”

     Anyone else find this a bit scary?

     It’s not right. Do they know this or are they lost on the culture of that cesspool of a place?

     Man, there a lot of weird people on that forum, like a cult for online nut jobs!

240. From my understanding, that is 100% correct. You are allowed to quote content for the purpose of a review.

241. Glad I’ve saved you some cash. :)

242. My next ploy is to file a Small Claims action against for him for $5000 in my local court for breach of contract.

243. I am filing a complaint with the FTC. Then, since I own tristanbull.org, I am going to review each of his videos and show how shallow and worthless they truly are. I am not displaying the videos. Under the Fair Use law, I can briefly quote from his videos to make a point. As far as I know, an honest review is legal as I am entitled to my opinion.

244. Awesome… thanks for the heads up. Just got a PM from this guy.

245. People forget that when something is too good to be true, it always is. If it was so easy to turn $500 into $5,000 every month, everyone would be doing it. And then no one would be making $5,000 every month because so many people were doing it!!!

     Still, I think it’s a shame that there are people out there taking advantage of others in this manner. It doesn’t have to be that way. He could have built a solid business that offered something tangible. It sounds like he set out from the first day to scam beginners.

246. Stupid, yes, that was me. Gullible and naive, too. I think he is worse.

247. Tristan Bull is a terrible scammer.

     Having said that, a lot of people are really stupid. Thinking they can pay $500 for a $5,000 month business.

     I don’t know who’s worse.

248. I am not sure whether any of that is true or not. He may not have a legal team. There is a good chance he is just trying to scare you off. If he did use his legal team to create a document that would not allow to “cheat the system”, it illustrates that he knows his product is bullcrap and people are going to ask him for refunds. The fact that he (apparently) went to great lengths to create such a document before even selling the product suggests that the whole thing is a scam.

     Look for the original confirmation emails from him and see what the document actually says.

249. I got this crappy explanation in his email:
     “You actually agreed to a legal document when you purchased the program that clearly stated the terms of the refund and you don’t qualify for a refund as you did not complete all the steps required to qualify. These are the steps that you legally agreed to at the time of purchase.

     This agreement was created by my legal team to ensure people would not try and cheat the system.”

     Of course I don’t remember agreeing to any of this. It was over a year ago. However, I did create a product and sold it via solo ads. Never made a sale.

250. It’s a poor way for him to handle things. Why exactly did you not quality for a refund?

251. No, I never got a refund. He at first agreed if I would remove the website:
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     I need your:

     Name
     Address
     Phone Number
     Bank Name
     Bank Address
     Account Number
     Routing Number

     If we do it early enough it should be in your account by the end of the day.

     With your SEO stuff I may have a proposition for you if you are interested? But are you able to rank sites for any keyword or was it just because my name was easy to rank for?

     Also did you do any negative SEO to my site because it used to be on page 1 now it’s no where to be found?

     I also noticed you made some negative comments on Youtube and the warrior forum and boosted those to the top, can you please remove those comments too.

     Let me know
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     Then over the weekend, he changed his mind and sent me this email:
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     Walter,

     You actually agreed to a legal document when you purchased the program that clearly stated the terms of the refund and you don’t qualify for a refund as you did not complete all the steps required to qualify. These are the steps that you legally agreed to at the time of purchase.

     This agreement was created by my legal team to ensure people would not try and cheat the system.

     My lawyers have already been through everything and legally you don’t even qualify for a refund.

     So legally you are not telling the truth because you don’t mention once that you agreed to the refund terms and conditions and that you are in violation so technically you do fall under the category of slander.

     Also regardless of the slander you are ILLEGALLY sharing my products. Let me be clear, you are BRAKING THE LAW by sharing my products on your website which you can be fined up to $250,000 and spend time in jail for.

     So forget about the slander my lawyers have already compiled a case against you for this illegal file sharing which you continue to do.

     This is your final warning, remove the website illegally or I will be taking legal action against you.

     You are now wandering into blackmail territory too.

     I am sure you are a nice guy but I don’t think you understand the severity of what you are doing. You can be charged on 3 separate counts, 1. Slander 2. Illegal File Sharing 3. Blackmail

     I am a nice guy but I take my business seriously and I have been very patient with you but enough is enough.

     It will take you 2 minutes to remove the website, remove it IMMEDIATELY.

     If you don’t you will have lawyers knocking on your front door which is something no one enjoys especially during the holiday season.

     SHUT DOWN YOUR SITE IMMEDIATELY
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     So I checked with my attorney and he said I might be sued for defamation even if what I claimed was true and it wasn’t worth the legal fees to prove I was telling the truth.
     So I shut it down, http://tristanbull.org

252. So did he not process a refund?

253. Tristan Bull finally responded to my request for a refund by threatening to sue me. I found a domain name, tristanbull.org, bought it, and Created a website that told my story and what I thought about his training. When he threatened to sue me for slander, blackmail, and exposing his training video on my website. I took it down. I put up the website in October and by NOvember it was on page 1 of Google, 4th spot down. I got thousand of hits so perhaps I saved some people from my fate.

254. Well is are the videos they offer on W.forum worth it , are they professional and if not were can I find some good ones and are theirs pay pal protected.???? Regards Robert

255. I am not sure what you mean by looking for an online business. Are you looking to buy a business or are you unsure about what type of business to create?

256. Thank you for your honest a trait hard to find these days. .I’m a Proud Veteran looking for a online business do you have any recommendations? Thank you and “Happy Holidays”

     Ms Davis

257. A good forum staff would ban any member that did that.

258. I been in warrior 2 weeks and I ended up deleting my account too. Reason is I was getting like 3-6 sales pm everyday.

259. I think it high time the owners of warrior forum improved their quality control procedures. They should not take for granted the millions who visit their site. They should learn from the experiences of some organisations that failed to adapt and improve their products. When I was growing up we had wordpress lotus 1-2-3 that few of the young generation know about as they were eclipsed by the likes of Microsoft. Even we bloggers have to learn the same lessons.

260. I’m sorry you lost your money Walt. To me, $497 is an obscene amount of money for just 26 videos. Plus the guarantee of getting $5k back would have set alarm bells for me.

     Best of luck exposing this guy. I am all for people exposing people who are ripping others off. It’s just unfortunate that Warrior Forum encourages this practice.

261. My WF scammers name is Tristan Bull. He advertised on the WF that if you didn’t make $5k by following his methods, he would refund your money. So I gave him $497 and got 26 videos of him standing in front of a white board writing bullets and explaining garbage on how to create an information product and sell it on the WF as a WSO. The videos were purloined junk copied from the Internet and worthless. Sometime after I bought his course, he abandoned the white board & video camera and switched to a screen recorder; Camtasia perhaps. I gave up trying to make any sense out of the originals and turned to other projects and forgot about my $497. Last August i remembered his guarantee and requested a refund via his email. Never got a reply. I tried his support. No reply. I PMed him on the WF. No reply. I was so mad I created a WP blog and am posting all his videos on that blog. I found that the domain name tristanbull.org was available. If you enter tristan bull into Google, my website comes up on the first page, 4th result. I will never get my money back, but I hope to expose Tristan Bull as a Charlatan masquerading as a guru.

262. For the most part, I agree. Most of the members who are making money hang out there in order to sell products.

263. it’s clearly full of 2 types of people

     1) Complete broke newbies that have no clue how to run a real business

     2) The scammers selling dreams to the gullible. “you pay me $2k+..i’ll hand you a $150,000 p.a. business.”

     The place seems to full of unemployed/ scammers.

264. I’m glad Aleks. It’s pathetic that he makes money in this way. The last time I logged into Safe Swaps, there was a discussion about him ripping off members. So I am surprised and disappointed that he is still operating there.

     :)

265. Hi Kevin,

     You have just saved me $297 and I thank you. I was approached by this Gabriel after joining Safe Swap today. He has no reviews on the site itself but sent me to a few websites with reviews etc. I was all in but I wondered why he didn’t even have his list verified and why he doesn’t do any actual solo selling on safe swaps, so I asked him. He said he likes to ‘build relationships’ and that websites like safe swap are basically not the way to go. I was a bit suspicious so I did a bit of googling and found your review. So thank you! I am a newbie and although I am pretty wary I realise there are so many scams out there and I am trying to make money not lose more! I think I will stick to safe places to do business.

266. haha That is hilarious. Why would someone spend all their time trying to get a little traffic from a signature. Were all your replies one-word replies?

267. You have been banned for the following reason:
     For making a bunch of one-liners in short period of time; gives the impression you’re trying to expose your signature and not really participating in discussion threads
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     Myers at it again…. :-)

268. No problem Lou. 99% of the products being offered on WarriorForum are garbage. Most of the information should be given away for free. For example, say I start a small website and it makes a few hundred dollars within a few weeks. I think it’s better to just share this knowledge with all my readers. On WarriorForum, people would package this information up and then promote it as if it’s the best, quickest and easiest way to make money online. Then charge $9.99 for that information. The person would then make a few hundred dollars. All of a sudden…they are now calling themselves experts. Their second special offer is how to make money through Warrior Forum. This goes on and one and on.

269. WOW! This site is right on the money. Thanks for the heads up on that sc*m bag Barry Jenkins. I wrote down all the info you supplied on this site. I was banned from the WSO forum for several days for posting a warning about someone’s product that had glitches. I like the forum but, now I’m leary of buying anything else there. I bought a few things that were good… lucky, I guess. I found this site while searching Google for a clone script of WSO, nothing seems to exist. Search results shows mostly warriorforum.com stuff. Thanks for posting this stuff, I really appreciate the time you invested and have concluded that it must be true as who would use all their time and enery to pursue this problem. I read the entire page, took lots of time but, well worth the knowledge I gained. If anyone can point me in the right direction as to setting a WSO site, I’d really appreciate it and I promise I would run it respectfully or else risk being added to this site in a negatively way LOL. Thanks again!

270. No problem Philippe. I’m curious as to why Google is giving that warning. It must be due to a script they are using. Or perhaps their website has been hacked and been used to send spam.

271. Hi Kevin,

     Interesting read, this article – the replies too. Glad to have found your site, bookmarked now for return visits.

     Thanks for the WF insight.

     Regards,

     Roger

272. Hi Kevin great post!

     since 2 days it is even difficult to log in Warriors Forum:
     Google is warning that the site might harm your computer!

     i never saw that before,that is how i found your post…

     anyway warrior is still for me a good way to get good info and general feed back
     from online marketer, of course the good guys are always the more difficult to find!

     And i agree that learning the hard way is the best and strongest way to progress online.

     TY for your post Cheers!
     Philippe Yeoshaphat

273. Thanks Kevin, appreciate your views. God bless.

274. You can make money through YouTube. I doubt you would earn a full time wage with monetizing karaoke videos (I could be wrong).

     Affiliate marketing is a bit difficult if you have never run a website before. It can also be costly. My advice would be to first make a good website that people want to visit. Build a readership and then focus on making money through it. You should, of course, consider how the website can be profitable when it does have traffic.

     Think about what you are passionate about and focus on building a website on that topic.

     Kevin

275. It makes sense when u say, there is no reason for my viewers to visit my website. In that case than will I be able to earn an income in YouTube if I have a strong subscriber base?

     I also thought of venturing into affiliate marketing. What are your thoughts about it? And is there any course or material you can direct preple like me to so that we can set out foot in the right direction.

     Thanks for your reply btw. Really appreciate it.. Its through conversation like this I know that there are still good people out here who really bother about others success.

276. Hi Lawrence,

     Videos can be a good way of getting new visitors to your website. Though you need to give people to go back to your website. If your website only published the videos you are sharing on YouTube, there is no reason for anyone to visit your actual website.

     The value of any informational product or membership course comes down to your own financial situation. All the information you need to learn anything is available for free on Google. Learning the hard way, so to speak, will serve you well in years to come. However, it is also time consuming. If a book can explain everything to you clearly, it can save you weeks or months of looking for a solution.

     With regards to learning from start, what exactly are you referring to? Do you mean building websites, making money as an affiliate, increasing traffic…or everything?

     Kevin

277. HI Kevin, i was somehow directed to WF when i was looking for ways to get more traffic to my youtube channel as im giving away free karaoke videos. I was hoping that by the traffic i would be able to get advertisers to advertise on my website. Is this a good way to earn an extra income?

     Btw, WF has this thread call high voltage video forum which promise to teach how to achieve what i wanted to do for my videos, increase traffic. Lucky for me as i attempt to signup, i was directed to a message which says registration full. The payment was $22 for lifetime access btw.

     As i continued to review on WF after the failed attempt, i bumped into your blog and im glad i did. Saved me $22 and my time. I am currently in a full-time job and really wish to be an full fledged online marketing entrepreneur in time to come. I have read too many materials but none seem to have helped so far. Can you recommend any useful guide which i can take reference from to start anew. You seem like a guy whom can be trusted. Thanks a million.

278. For many people, it is. A lot of people there spend more time chatting than actually working hard on their website.

279. some very strange people that hanging around that place all say long. is that their life?

280. Precisely. So far I’ve made only about five posts on the Warrior Forum and each one has subsequently been deleted. Not one post to promote myself, no forum signature, nothing out of the ordinary – simply sharing good advice but each time I’ve posted there the post has subsequently been deleted with no good reason provided.

     Needless to say I won’t be participating there again.

     Strange because I’m an exceedingly wealthy individual in my own right making in excess of $50m annually. Yet my advice is not even worthy of being accepted on the Warrior Forum.

     This was my last post (deleted):

     http://www.warriorforum.com/copywriting-forum/827375-young-man-seeks-your-advice.html

     09-28-2013, 12:22 PM #20
     The Black Panther
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     Default Re: Young man seeks your advice
     Quote: Originally Posted by jkhdsf

     [QUOTE]If you were my age (25), and you were just starting out as a copywriter, where would you go? What would you do?

     I’m feeling intimidated by the unfortunate truth that there are a lot of incompetent marketers out there and the last thing I need is to set out working with someone who is going to fill my head with nonsense that’ll need to be unlearned down the road.[/QUOTE]

     There are a lot of incompetent copywriters on this forum unfortunately who are thoroughly outdated in their thinking. Their approach to market is skewed. They still think and sadly believe to learn copywriting in the traditional sense is where connecting the benefits of goods, products and services is at. This is far from the truth. I don’t know, maybe they have a vested financial interest in keeping this myth alive? Whatever, 99% of them here are missing the point of marketing today.

     Forget high pressure in your face copywriting. This is not the direction you want to be heading in. People in companies today expect and demand more sophistication. How come? Because they listened to the needs, to the voice of the consumer who likewise demanded a new approach to being sold the goods, products and services they were interested in.

     For further reading check out this link http://marketing.about.com/od/marketingmethods/a/What-Is-Inbound-Marketing.htm

     “When economies are austere, buyer rational what they need more than what they want. The highlight of inbound marketing definition is its subtle “invitation” to prospects. Few prospects refuse an invitation to be part of an appealing marketing offer. This is enhanced by the exclusivity of products promoted to a focus group.

     An inbound marketing agency can create and manage custom marketing programs that create an expedient draw of prospects in a timely, efficient and most importantly, cost effective manner. Inbound marketing requires professionals with a keen eye for organizing prospects by specific product or service and tailoring the invitation to the needs of the target markets.”

     Further reading http://marketresearch.about.com/od/market.research.advertising/a/Inbound-Marketing-Versus-Outbound-Marketing.htm

     ———-

     When I asked why it was deleted to the Warrior Forum Helpdesk, this was the response I received from Thomas Breher:

     “This is an online discussion forum where people discuss about marketing related topics. Why do you think posting a link to an external site without any comment or instructions is helpful at all? You have to follow our rules and use the forum in an appropriate way just like anyone else regardless how big your ego or bank account is!

     The forum has an excellent name, only those who can not follow rules and got banned for violating them are badmouthing about it for the only reason that the forum itself was their main source of income!

     Nevertheless you are welcome as long as you can follow our simple rules and accept the moderators decisions.”

     Thomas

281. The entire website is one large circle-jerk where one scammer praises the scam sale of one user and then that user makes a post praising the other on another thread. That repeats over and over again – sure sign of a running scam.

     Then there is all the idiots there that email/link spam their marketing products. The entire place is a cesspool and the owners know it; that’s why they delete anything that even hints at it.

282. I used to be a member there, but I was banned. At first I was angry about it, then I just laughed it off. I hadn’t logged in my account for a few weeks, when I tried to log in, a box opened up and said “you have been banned for life. reason: spamming the members”

     What was funny about that, is I couldn’t have spammed the members even If I had wanted to, because you had to have a certain number of posts to send messages to members, which I didn’t have.

283. Sylvester, Warrior Forum is a big scam. Look at their WSO Section. OM#G. You will see stuff like $1k in 1 week, $10k in a month. Mos to them have a tagline attached “For Newbies also” lol which means they are really desperate to sell their crap.

     I wonder how they approve such WSOs also. The more the people have tried to get these products, the more Paul Myers has banned them.

     Paypal has already stopped recognising warrior forum, and they consider it as a “scam” as well coz most of the refunds are happening through there only. I hope they are closed one day real soon and all their tricks and so called “guruism” will go into the toilet.

284. Finally some a great group of people that isn’t praising Warrior Forum! I’m sick of Warrior Forum banning users that speak the truth! They recently banned my account because I spoke the truth about a garbage product that was being promoted on their forum! I hear there is a new forum on the way that will be launching in November 2013 & here’s the link: http://www.webmasterdiscussions.com

285. I’m pretty sure the general mood of the replies here are real. I have no experience being scammed but I see how it could easily happen. Separating someone from their money is the art of the deal. I have used a program called super apprentice. I can’t remember where I read about it. When I search on Warrior Forum I find very little comments. Here’s one reason why I think that it’s not talked about much at all. It’s not a scam. Scams are so over-the-top that that should be an indicator of something. Maybe the most talked about WSO deals would fit into a reverse bell curve where those deals would fill up a bucket and the legitimate ones are 2 standard deviations away. i still read the free forum because I get a sense of what people are trying to do and how hard they might work at it. That’s the key here, work hard at something and you’ll figure it out on your own.

286. Hi Kevin, great article. I found another site which dismissed WarriorForum as being very bad. But the site also stated that the whole concept of affiliate marketing is fake and doesn’t work. Is it affiliate marketing a real concept?

287. My advice is to buy some good books from Amazon. Some of these so called “systems” are shorter than individual articles that can be found on this blog. All the information can be found free somewhere or another. I learned everything I know through setting up websites myself. I believe it is the best way to learn.

288. hi Kevin Im new to this online stuff I did do the Chris Farrell course which I found interesting and learned quite a bit but that’s not hard because I knew bugger all before that, what I would like to know is there anywhere can get easy to understand help I made the mistake of buying one system that didn’t work then getting emails from god knows who and bought more that were scams just wondered if there was anywhere I can get honest help Im just a working man so don’t have thousands to throw away.

289. Glad you like the blog Matt. I have never had any dealings with the owner of Warrior Forum, though I do not agree with the way he is running things. It is surprising that there has not been a larger exodus from their forums due to their policies.

290. Nice blog Kevin. I can’t blame you for wanting your account deleted over at the WF especially with that asshole Paul Myers running the show. He’s always come off as an immature prick and has threatened the ban hammer on me a number of times in the past, though he never followed through with his threats even though I never backed down from him (though I’m sure he did delete many of my posts).

291. As noted in my article, I requested for my account to be deleted. If I am listed as banned, then I assume they marked my account as banned rather than deleting my account as requested.

292. Hi Kevin,
     I guess you know, WF has you listed as being BANNED – is this true?

     It doesn’t matter to me if you are, I’m just curious as to the truth of the matter.

293. Don’t tell me… YOU are “god” right?

294. “For those that are sensible enough to listen to two sides of a story before coming to a conclusion, then feel free to get in touch with me.”

     That tells me that Gabriel is the deceptive one in this scenario.
     My FIRST lesson online was to ONLY talk with sellers IN PUBLIC!

     They can and will say ANYTHING in private, as there’s no way to verify what’s been said or promised.

295. Hi Mark,

     There are lots of great people who hang out at Warrior Forum. I had many great conversations with people during the time I contributed there.

     I will not be returning if things remain the way they are. I am a forum owner myself and I know the difficulties of maintaining a large forum, however there is no excuse for allowing people to steal money from others. They could perhaps be given a pass if they were simply not intervening in these issues…but they are going out of their way to delete any threads that warn others about members that are stealing. That is inexcusable.

     Kevin

296. Kevin, I understand where you are coming from. With a forum so large it’s really a challenge to please everyone. I’ve seen the good and the bad. I can honestly say the good out-weighs the bad and there are still real people sharing and changing life’s on there everyday. Maybe after things cool down you can come back in the future. Otherwise goodluck, and you have a pretty cool blog. Cheers – Mark

297. Hi Monica,

     Yeah it’s a shame that people like this are around. Unfortunately, Warrior Forum is set up to allow this kind of thing. The owners are profiting from all of those stupid overpriced ebooks being sold in their marketplace. They are not going to give up their cash cow.

     Kevin

298. Hey Monica,

     Yeah it’s a shame that people are doing this. Unfortunately, Warrior Forum has been set up in a way that attracts these people and the owners allow it to continue. It is frustrating as there are legitimate email marketers out there doing business the right way.

     Kevin

299. Thanks for such nice ppost about worrior forum

300. Hi Kevin, I appreciate your post about this ‘crap guy’. I’m a fan of solo ads just post a thank you respond to one or two of the solo ad providers in WF. Then in the middle of the day the guy that has the same skype id on your post send a contact request to me stating that he has 1000 targeted traffic. It’s a shame some people are doing this type of thing…

     To all get contacted by the ‘traffic providers’ like this you should take some time to research on them before you give them your money. If he is legit and giving good service then he don’t need to chase people to buy from him…

     Cheers kevin!

301. That is a huge amount of money for something like this.

     I hope you ordered by credit card. If so, contact your card issuer and explain that they did not provide what they sold.

     It is the best route to go down as it doesn’t look like the people you bought from will refund you.

     Kevin

302. Kevin,
     I need your advice. I signed up via a webinar that I heard about somehow (don’t remember) run by two guys who run conferences and who are very prominent on WF. They’re from the UK; I’m from the US. They promised to mentor us on how to launch a successful software product. They signed up probably about 10 students, many fewer than I think they wanted. So they added on a Done For You aspect which some other student signed up for. They started off fine, with a few interesting webinars, and promised to help us do everything from choosing a software product to develop to actually going through the launch. They got several others (a JV broker, etc.) to help out explain what their companies did with an eye towards signing us up as clients. Duh. ANyway, the webinars quickly sucked as they would get people on their but they never knew how to interview the guy, so I ended up asking all the questions and running the webinars myself, as there were only about 5-6 people on at one time. Because they were not prepared with the right software or equipment to record the event, since I had done so for myself I ended up having to edit it and provide it to other students. When some more people joined the course later, I also copied the early SKype discussions and sent those to them so they would get the whole picture, all of which was greatly appreciated.

     Sorry this is so long. The webinars stopped. Their forum was never used by anyone, including them. They had no course materials except for a Wordpress video course from someone else (BS). I kept sending emails and asking for feedback on my product ideas. No response for more than a month. Finally, I asked for a 100% refund (paid $997). They said no. They’d already kicked me out of the Skype group which was the only place where anything was happening. Since then, nothing. They said basically we don’t think your idea will work but we’ll go ahead with it if you insist. Yet I had checked with an experienced programmer who said it would work, and on another board the admin described a part of what I was putting together and he said it was so good he didn’t want to reveal it himself.

     WIthout me contacting anyone else about this, four other students whom I’ve gotten to know have written me and expressed the problems they, too, are having with the two “gurus” who teach the course.

     What should I do?

303. Schwarzes, i do not know you and have never dealt with you before, i don’t know who Alexa Smith is or the dealings you had with her, Its normal to point accusing fingers to just about anyone after getting scammed.

     If you can prove that i am Alexis or Alexa or whatever the name is, I can also prove that I have two heads…jeez, you guys should get a life….

     As for kelvin, there is no point arguing with him, we are like God and the Devil, we will simply never come to a solution.

     Good Luck

304. He is so funny, I have posted the screenshot, still he is saying I am lieing lol

305. If you are talking about me, then it is clear there what happened between both of us. And too bad you had to use a female name to gain attention here lol. Alexa Smith ( another fake female ) is also you am sure. Warrior Forum is full of fake IMers.

306. Everything that comes out his mouth is a lie. He supports WarriorForum as they allow people like him to scam other people. They refused to delete his thread even after he was found to be conning people.

307. haha We’re not noobs because we aren’t conning people out of their money. Several people on Safe Swaps contacted me and told me you had ripped them off too. You’re scum, stealing people from honest hard working people.

308. Good to see you have all these noobs deceived with blatant lies about what happened between the both of us. Now, i’ll make one thing straight here, for the readers of this blog…If you already believe what Kelvin says, well Good Luck to you and i hope you find what you are looking for.

     For those that are sensible enough to listen to two sides of a story before coming to a conclusion, then feel free to get in touch with me.

     I’m a busy man, and i don’t have time to argue with you on this worthless blog.

     Regards
     Gab

309. This is because they all are noobs. None of them have made a dime online. It is full of wannabe web developers who will give you a piece of crap, its full of wannabe article writers who write only in the warrior forum, and its full on wanna internet marketers, who surprisingly have nothing better to do but just stay in the warrior forum and chat all day, each one having 10,000 + posts lol

     Warrior Forum is a SCAM. Stay away from it. Warrior Special Offers should be better called Warrior Scam Offers.

310. If you look at my profile, I have been a member since 2011, have 1000 + posts.

     I wonder what made him say that i was banned from here before lol

311. This should be more clear

     http://postimg.org/image/pr3yq4ujn/

312. Sure how do I send it ?

313. Absolutely agree with the post. Just got banned recently from the noob forum of internet marketing scammers…Here is the screenshot of the last conversation I had with the so called “moderator” The thread of about how to avoid scams which Paul “Scam” Myers didn’t like I guess.. Enjoy reading lol :D

     http://s18.postimg.org/51u3cyea1/Fire_Shot_Screen_Capture_011_This_is_how_you.jpg

314. Here’s the problem I have. They are threatening good members with bans and deleting their posts yet people who have been found to be stealing money from others are not banned or punished in any way.

315. That is a great example of how to be a bad moderator. It seems that the power has went to the head of Paul Myers. It’s situations like that which is pushing good members away.

     I really do hate mods who think they can just delete posts whenever they like. If a message is spam, abusive or racist, go ahead and delete it. Though there is no need to delete posts in that manner.

316. This is a copy of the discussion schwarzes posted above :)

     (Click on image to see full size)

     

317. The screenshot is too small. If you send me the full original screen capture, I will be able to publish it here for others :)

318. Lol this advice , i was going to use warrior forum but i realized that u have to be pay for membership that sucks . i’m kinda sad because when u do search on google warrior forum comes first , i wont forget this thread

319. I do not think there is anything wrong with paying for a forum. In theory, paid forums should be of a higher quality. However, the actions of the staff ensures that doesn’t happen.

320. No problem Mike. I’m glad you didn’t get scammed. You would have ended up with junk traffic. A few people on Safe-Swaps recently emailed me about him too. He seems to be prolific.

321. Thanks for your post Kevin. This DB contacted me immediately once I posted a review about another solo ad service provider. I was suspicious so I Googled his name and your article popped up. Who would have thought one DB could drive so much traffic to your site! Anyway, I’m staying away from BJ thanks to your article.

322. That’s good Mark. I wouldn’t advise anyone to ever work with him. Hopefully, no one else will be conned by him.

323. Gabriel Jibril has surfaced at Safe-Swaps this article is being used as a reference to warn people away from him

324. Agreed.

     Step 1: Make $10 online.
     Step 2: Write a 10 page eBook explaining how you made that $10.
     Step 3: Sell your eBook as a “system” and try and make thousands.

     That covers the majority of WSO’s being sold.

325. When I hear more stories like this, it surprises me that more people haven’t sued Warrior Forum. It’s one thing to not defend members, it’s another for them to go out of their way and delete threads that warn others of known scams and untrustworthy people.

     Due to this, I would advise people against using Warrior Forum……plus, 99% of WSO’s are terrible anyways.

326. Yes, they are not too slow in closing ranks when any criticism is leveled. This ranges from the deletion posts to deletion of threads to outright bans.

     It is too much of a cash cow to have “little people” coming and pissing on the parade..

     The vast majority of WSO sellers there are fakers, barely eking out an existence.

327. My friend did not get all the sites he paid for (just a few) and requested a refund early in the game after he “smell a rat”. He never got it and his complaints and mine fell on deaf ears.

328. I agree totally with what you said Kevin, no accountability whatsoever…..I remember a senior warrior “Jorge” join date 2004 with several posts ran a WSO and ripped offed several warriors of $1,000’s and while buyers were screaming for a refund which was promised in the WSO, he was allowed to start another similar WSO.

     I say members were scammed of $1,000’s of dollars because I knew someone who lost over $5,000.00 and I was threatened with a ban and my posts were ignored about what this guy was doing. I was even ridiculed by some for asking the owners to be responsible and check into what this senior warrior was doing to their members.

     Well when he was finally banned, he left several warriors seriously out of pocket cause his WSO was building and ranking sites to $30 per month guaranteed in adsense and then handing them over to the buyer after 3 months, with 3 pages of contents etc; or maintaining them for a fee. Not one of my friends sites made a cent, not only that but some had no content or little content.

     Talk about rip-off and excuses, from ” I was on vacation, to sickness…et al”. Needles to say, my friend has not recovered a cent of his money and I am annoyed that the folks at WF who made money from the WSO, were not in anyway responsible for this crime they facilitated on their members. It went on for more that 4 months.

329. No problem. Best of luck :):)

     Kevin

330. Hey Patrick,

     I would encourage you to take advantage of Amazon. I’ve bought courses etc in the past for some things, but Amazon is such a competitive place. There are many great internet marketing books and many are priced really cheap as authors can make money by volume. For example, at the moment my latest book is $3.99..if I sold it on ClickBank, I’d probably be selling it at $47 or $97.

     It’s kind of a catch 22 thing with the “Gurus”. Those that are making a lot of money, are usually too busy making money to help others. And those that are telling people how to make money…are making a lot (if not all) of their money by telling others how to make money (the blind leading the blind).

     Obviously, not everyone who sells informational products is a phoney, and those who do make good money advising others may still give good advice. I would just take what anyone is promoting to you with a pinch of salt….that applies to me too.

     For example, I reviewed FeedBlitz yesterday as I think it’s a great service, but if it’s not suitable for you, don’t use it. It pays to have your bullshit radar on when looking at products etc.

     There is no secret. If you want to make money online, work hard and make a website that people want to visit. Too many people are looking for the quick fix. You should be looking to build a solid sustainable business.

     :)

     Kevin

331. Hi Patrick,

     Thanks for taking the time to leave such a long detailed comment :)

     I think it depends on what you mean by GURU. I mean, Darren Rowse from ProBlogger.net is one of the most knowledgeable people on the subject of blogging. So I guess you could see he is a Guru. However, he’s an honest ethical guy and isn’t looking to rip anyone off.

     The problem with many people on WF is that they try and paint themselves as Gurus….but they are not. It’s no surprise that 90% of the WSO’s are from other WF members explaining how they made money by selling WSO’s. It’s very similar to a pyramid scheme once you take away all the bullshit.

     I don’t know the full story of you and the person who offered coaching. I don’t think that $150 is anything to be disgusted by. You are paying for their time, and their years of experience (that’s assuming they are experienced and can help you etc).

     I offer coaching myself…I do enjoy helping others but it is better for me to make money in other ways. Some people may consider my coaching prices high…but you need to remember, two or three hours helping someone directly, is time I could be making money in other ways; be it writing for other people, writing articles here, writing books etc.

     Rather than help people directly through coaching, what I hope to do in the future is help people through my podcast. This allows me to answer questions for them for free, but everyone can listen to the advice etc I give.

     If there is any specific thing you are unsure of, feel free to ask here and I’ll do my best to point you in the right direction :)

     Kevin

332. Makes perfect sense Kevin. Will definitely take that into consideration. Thanks again for your help!

333. Hey Kevin, thanks for responding. Didn’t expect it to be this fast lol. Yeah, tell me about the wannabe gurus. I think I’ve heard of Darren Rouse before, I like his blog, looks polished. I never mentioned it wasn’t a bad thing to charge for coaching, it’s a bad thing when someone tells you they will be glad to help you out for free, then come back and say they charge you…and for asking one specific question. It’s the unethical approach that bothers me.

     I guess that’s where the Guru name get’s such a bad name from, like you said the wannabe gurus. I like to think of the good ones, as Im Pros, or IM mentors. I’m glad you let me vent. Otherwise, if I had done that on WarriorForum, the ban hammer would have hit me fast because I’m not one of the “special ones”.

     There is a course one day I’m looking to get into once I’m able to afford it. I’ll leave the guy nameless, but I respect him. I watched some of his pre-videos that talks about getting traffic the right way. It’s pure gold. It’s an expensive course. but worth it. At the end of the video, he said: look, if you don’t have the money right now, then don’t spend your last dollar. To me, that was very Ethical right there the fact he wasn’t trying to “sucker” anyone in.

     We need more of that in the IM world. Honest and ethical IMers like him and you. Thanks for listening to me. And if I need some questions asked, I will definitely ask you.

     Peace!

334. Hello Kevin. I found your blog by using the famous search engine Google. I’m a member of WarriorForum. And these past few weeks, I question the integrity and the moral standards of that site. I’ve been a struggling IMer for years and I’ve done nothing but go in circles. I’m beginning to think it’s just another forum of GURUS. And by God I hate Gurus. I’m finding it to be very very cliquish to the point where theres only a few “Special” members on there that make the big bucks. No matter how many case studies, WSO’s guides I’ve bought and have taken action by staying up long hours trying to get methods to work, they always leave the key strategies out where most newbies haven’t made a dime.

     There are some good people on there yes, but there are a alot of stuck up pricks that don’t give two-shits about you if you’re struggling. The thing that really pissed me off, I joined someone’s mini blog where you pay monthly for $10. Yeah my mistake. It had guides and downloads which I considered to be rehashed garbage. The owner of the blog, before I purchased said she would do 1 on 1 training if needed. Well, when I asked her I needed training on how to build a profitable PPC campaign etc. She said, I charge $150 for coaching. I was highly offended and pissed off big time and I cancelled my subscription.

     I even PM’ed a few coaches on there to let them know I was struggling and mentioned I could use some help (Without Being Spoonfed) Never heard back from them. That tells me those “So Called” coaches are nothing but Gurus. Talk about unethical. I’m to the point where I have no trust for anyone in internet marketing anymore. All those guides,gurus, WSO’s and coaches are only there to confuse you and rip you off. Sickening!

     Oh yeah, and today, a respected member who knows the IM copywriting business, cussed out Paul Myers from head to toe and rightfully deserved it. Within 3 minutes, he was banned.

     Warrior Forum is classless loaded with Guru’s and garbage. Thanks for letting me vent man. You seem like a very respected IMer, which is very very rare.

     I would love to hear more about your experience Kevin.

335. I agree Ernest. These kind of problems filter from the top down. If the owners and staff do not actively try and protect members, the members are going to be ripped off. And they are.

     I hate forum owners that don’t even care when a member is being conned.

     Kevin

336. Sorry to see you got ripped off Kevin.
     But the deception, lies, and flim flam on the Warrior Forum is much bigger than one douche bag ripping you off. it is much bigger than this and practically institutionalized with particular moderators like Paul Myers, Ken Strong, and others having a massive investment in peddling the “content syndication” promotional model leading to the protection of a much more powerful and subtle scam involving “content” and related providers.

337. Glad you never got burned mate. You need to be careful with this kind of thing. For every honest guy, there’s a few scumbags who want to rip you off :)

     Kevin

338. Thank you for your message. This guy added me on skype, and contacted me last night promoting his service. He offered me 500 clicks for $137 tester. To be honest I was very close to sending him the money. Thank you very much for this

339. Warrior Forum sucks, no doubt. They can ban you for no reason or delete your signature.
     While the paid members keep doing all the bull craps..shame on them!!

340. No problem. Yes he seems to switch between free services frequently.

     Kevin

341. Kevin, I know how it feel to be taking by a someone and the people who are suppose to have your best interest at heart, don’t do anything. I had to walk away from a program myself for the same reasons.

     Sad part is a handful of people hurt the Internet marketing industry as a whole.

     Side Note: If someone has a http://soloking123.com and it redirect to http://soloking123.weebly.com/ thats is a really good Idea to stay away from them, because they don’t don’t get it. If you can’t pick up a dot com and create a page on your site then you don’t plan on being around long anyway.

     Thanks, for the Post Kevin.

     ~ Willie

342. Yeah the setup isn’t so good. I don’t mind paying to have a WSO posted however I don’t like threads being deleted, particularly when those threads were warning others about spammers.

343. I’ve never purchased a WSO. I’d be happy to spend money on a good informational product but I never saw anything there that interested me. There are some good products for sale there….but there are so many bad products that it’s difficult to find them.

344. You’re 100% right. Too many sneaky marketing tactics are being used. I’d go as far as saying it’s kind of accepted by many people. I don’t agree with it.

345. Hi Kevin, talk about a a waste of money. I spent 35 usd in that forum to only find out I had to spend more to post about the blog engage site. I’ll never visit again and wish I could had gotten some return from it. Oh well I guess we learn from our mistakes! You are right it’s difficult to find the good products over the bad ones!

346. Hi Kevin: I agree with you. Warrior forum is the place where many of them lost huge money. Take a look at the money invested in the warriorforum WSO ,its all waste of money.There are thousands of WSOs about making money but by far my experience i have found none of the books helped the buyers. Its full of fake promises and steals your money.You have done a good decision .instead of sending money in this forum,we can concentrate what we are doing right now .This will helps to increase the tech expertise and the income also.

347. Forgive my typo. Ticks me off that I didn’t catch it before hitting ‘send’.

348. Dang Kevin that was a hell of article. Nice of you to take the time to share this. I empathize. Liars and cheats always bother me more than the money. There are some great people online, but alas, still too many snake oil salesmen here. We need to continue cleaning up the online marketing community. Good work. Butch

349. There are a huge amount of pissed off ex-warriorforum members on the internet. I wouldn’t say I’m one of them. There are lots of great members there. I just think the people who run it are idiots.

     Kevin

350. I never have an account on Warrior Forum but a few people that I know raved about Warrior Forum. There was a time I consider registering but at the end I didn’t because no matter how active you are on the forum, it’s hard to get people noticed you and your product (assuming you’re not selling garbage). I find this fascinating because I barely hear people say nasty stuff about Warrior Forum until you talk about it. This is certainly an eye-opener for me and thanks for pointing this out.